How to help my (teenaged) brother

I’m not sure where to put this - I am asking for book recommendations primarily, but the topic is more MPSIMS, so mods, I’m sorry if I chose incorrectly.

My brother (17) is going through a rough patch, but he says he’s fine, and he actually seems to be doing ok emotionally (though he might just be putting up a good front. I know I do). Both of my parents have issues that have negatively affected us kids, and I think they are handling this current situation very badly.

In a nutshell, my brother is pretty much failing school (he’s a senior in high school), and my mother takes this (as well has his lying about his grades - he’s always lied to avoid getting into trouble, unsurprisingly) as evidence that he is a lazy, ungrateful person, and will proceed accordingly (my father generally follows her lead). I am angry and appalled that she believes this. When he was little, my brother was a sweet, very sensitive, considerate kid. He doesn’t get into trouble, he’s responsible and good-tempered about going to school despite hating it, he doesn’t attack them physically or emotionally, he’s not at all malicious, yet she’s just writing him off as a bad person because she can’t understand his behavior.

Potentially important background information: My parents were not very nurturing of us kids. They love us, I know, but they aren’t affectionate. We got rewarded or punished, accordingly, and other than being praised when we did exceptionally well at something, we didn’t/don’t get much day to day positive feedback. In addition, they always assume the worst about us. Always. I know how hurtful that is, and I assumed that the way they treated me and thought of me must be the way I am, and even though I know better, even today, I still believe that I am not a good person. I don’t know if my siblings suffered the same way, but I think they must have. Additionally, communication regarding emotions and sensitive topics is uncommon in our house (I still live at home). I’m better at it than my parents are, but we’re all still pretty emotionally stupid, for lack of a better word.

They also have anger issues. They’ve been doing better the past few years, but when we were younger, the way they reacted when angry made it risky for us to express anger or say anything critical about them. I mainly did anyway, being hot-headed, aggressive, and, in retrospect, something of an idiot, and I had no problem getting into shouting matches. My poor siblings just kept their heads down and avoided confrontation for the most part. Thinking about all this, I realized yesterday that I don’t think I’ve ever seen them confront my parents. They do argue with them, but only in defense, and only as much as they have to in order to end the conflict.

I didn’t quite mean to go into so much detail. The gist is, I need to learn more about child and adolescent psychology, specifically how mild abuse and emotional neglect affects them. I also need information on how to communicate with my parents to hopefully get them to understand why he acts that way and why I’m so upset about their reaction, which necessitates discussing their hurtful actions in the present and in the past. I really want to help my brother, and I think I’m going to have to do so primarily through my parents.

I’m in therapy, my brother won’t go, says he doesn’t need it (I think he is showing signs of depression - he isolates himself, doesn’t have hardly any friends, and pretty much never socializes outside of school, all of which is really uncharacteristic of him. My mother agrees and has suggested therapy but is throwing in the towel now), and neither one of my parents is open to going themselves. If I have to, I think I can make enough of a fuss to get them into family counseling, but I don’t know if my father and brother will even go, and I’m pretty sure my mother and father won’t open up emotionally enough to make it worthwhile. They’re really not bad people, just people without healthy emotional and social coping skills or experience. I know they want to help my brother, and I think they will take my concerns well (or at least, not with denial) if I approach them the right way. I’m going to consult my shrink as well, but my next appointment isn’t for another week and I need to at least begin to gather information in the meantime.

So, I really need your help. Any advice or recommendations for reading material would be fantastic. I lack social skills and experience myself, so the more comprehensive and understandable, the better.

Thank you so much.
Edit: Apparently hit submit post unexpectedly, I meant to go over this post again before submitting. Oh well. And I meant to put it in MPSIMS. :smack:

I also forgot to mention that my brother has always had trouble with schoolwork, but not to this extent.

  1. Your teenage brother gets bad grades and lies to stay out of trouble.
  2. Your parents may be overreacting, though they aren’t bad people.
  3. Your brother may be depressed.

Is there more going on? This doesn’t seem like anything to go to therapy over. Do you live close by?

Shit. I also meant to say that I’ve come to realize that I don’t know much about how emotionally healthy people behave or communicate, so any recommendations on that would be great too.

Thank you.

Hm. Well, I don’t get any indication that he really knows what he wants or is motivated about his future. I think he avoids it by playing video games and watching TV, which he does most of the time when he’s not in school. Maybe everything’s fine and I’m just overreacting too, but he’s basically just going along with what my parents say to do, for now, but I know it’s just going to go badly when he starts doing poorly at college, if he goes.

I live in the Baltimore-Washington area, I didn’t look at your location field before replying.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think I’m probably just overreacting. It just really threw me for a loop when she said all that stuff last night about how she was kind of giving up on him. I do think there might be more going on with my brother, but I really just don’t know.

I must be setting a record for number of replies to my own posts. Sorry.

It’s okay. I’m interested because I have a sixteen-year-old and two step-sixteen-year-olds, and let me tell ya, every day’s a friggin’ adventure. :slight_smile:

I was wondering if you lived close to your brother so you could spend some time with him and maybe get a better handle on what’s up with him.

And yet here I go again:

I should have mentioned that I developed a personality disorder (schizoid) when I was a couple of years older than him (I’m 23), and I’m mainly free of it thanks to having been in therapy at the time and ever since. I’m really worried that he’s going down the same path, because isolating himself and getting absorbed in games and TV is pretty much how I started out, except that I retreated to the internet and fantasy worlds in my head.

I’m really sorry about all this. I think I’m clearly overreacting, and feel a bit foolish.

I still live at home, as he does. I will definitely try to spend time with him. It’s made more difficult by the fact that he spends his time in the basement rec room, whereas I’m always upstairs and can’t go up and down the stairs a lot due to health issues. I’m also really cautious about it. When I was his age, he and my younger sister decided I was too odd for their taste and they didn’t care for my company, and I still have a bit of a complex regarding that. I don’t want to force my company on him if he really doesn’t want it. I should try more, though.

Sounds good. I wouldn’t go up and say, “Hey, what’s wrong with you?”, but maybe you could just chat (about video games, even) and get a sense of how he’s feeling about the world.

I bet your mom’s not really giving up on him.

I know you’ve asked for this thread to be moved to MPSIMS, but IMHO it belongs here in IMHO, since you are asking for opinions. Do you mind if I leave it here for now?

On one hand, when you’re young, you think you’re immortal and invincible. This isn’t 100% relevant, but it’s something to keep in mind in dealing with young people.

The anger is a direct result of Powerlessness and Neglect. Believe me, I know. It took me a very large portion of my life to work that stuff out.

Don’t underestimate the problems caused by that neglect and ‘lack of approval’. Everyone wants approval. Everyone wants to be loved. When you grow up lacking it, as I did, you start to feel like there is something wrong with you and that maybe you deserve the shit that seems to keep coming down the pike at you. This can cause a whole mess of anger that, like me, will take him a lifetime to work out, assuming that he ever does. It can cripple you for life, impacting your ability to succeed, to advance, to grow.

The other side, the powerlessness, is about not being able to have the life we want, to have the love we want, to have the success we want. Lacking the power to magically change our lives to be the (illusory) “perfect” that we see around us, looking at others with normal lives in envy.

I would recommend Therapy, if only as a means of letting him talk out his problems and his feelings, and to get some positive feedback from an authority figure, and some help on how to cope with the shit and see things in a more reasonable light. To let him know, deep down, that he’s not alone, that he’s not the only one who has these problems.

For you; Be There. Support him, encourage him, talk to him. Defend him. I cannot stress that enough. Not with anger, but with kind intervention. With suggestions, with quiet talks with your parents. You cannot believe how much that will help him, even if it causes problems for you personally. He’ll never forget it. And along the way, it might just help your parents see how hard they’re being, how wrong they might be acting in small ways.

Start with a talk with mom about this “I give up” crap. While it is an understandable reaction and legitimate feeling on her part, it is just about the single most destructive thing that she can say to him short of “I hate you”. She also needs to lose the labels. Labels kill. My father spent my childhood calling me lazy, and I have never forgiven him for it. It was hateful, spiteful, plain out WRONG and it did nothing positive. On the contrary, it did us both a lot of harm. Yes him too, because it made him look like a real ass in front of other parents, which tended to impact on his relationships with them.

No, not at all. Thank you for asking.

I second this.
My son went through some rough patches in his teens also. He has problems with anxiety and has had a couple of panic attacks. He used to see a PDoc and also a therapist. The PDoc originally diagnosed him with depression, then bipolar, then anxiety (moving target I suppose).

Anyway, even just ‘talk therapy’ is good for that kind of thing. Today he’s more confident and less anxious, with fewer spells of depression. He still goes to see the therapist about once every six months or so. Late teens are a tough time for anyone, and some of us get a bit bolluxed up.

Only thing is, you can’t make him go.

Good luck!

Two books that get at the basics of healthy behavior and communication are 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey and The Road Less Traveled by M. Scott Peck. These books have sold many, many copies so used copies are cheap and abundant.

These books don’t so much get into explaining and understanding what went wrong, but give practical suggestions for things you can do to make many situations better. Your therapist may also have books to recommend.

Best wishes to you and your family.

If he’s lying about his grades then your parents obviously mind him getting them. Some people simply aren’t intellectual. You can be thick as two planks and still be a success. Are your parents encouraging him in anything at all? Is he an artist? It’s very hard indeed to be less capable than your parents and siblings. It’s even harder if your parents provide no encouragement.

If your brother is socially reasonably normal - has friends etc - then I’d suggest he enlist after finishing school. He’ll get a large dose of self-confidence and good training for a post-military career.

As a victim of emotional abuse I have been exploring this issue and have been very frustrated with the minimal number of books on the subject. There is plenty out there about sexual abuse and emotional abuse by a love partner, but not much for children who are emotionally abused by their parents.

One book I found helpful is Toxic Parents, available on Amazon.com. This book definitely helps with recognizing varying forms of emotional abuse and may help you and your brother to recognize the specific patterns of abuse in your family, and addressing them. However, the author is a big fan of parental confrontation, which I do not suggest doing until you or he has been in therapy and has thoroughly explored the issue with a therapist, PARTICULARLY since you are still living with them. (One thing I have found effective is a “role-playing” scenario in which my therapist takes on the role of my mother or father and I say the things I want to say to them - after all, it is for my benefit, not theirs.) Anyway, this is one of the better books on the subject that I have found and you may want to check it out.

I have also read Reclaiming Your Life, also available on Amazon.com, and found it helpful.

Best of luck to you and your brother.

I’m sorry I have no reading recommendations for you, but if it makes you feel any better I’ve sort of been where you are. My brother is many years younger than me and was a good kid and a good student. He went off to college and pretty much self destructed. He’s dropped and/or flunked out of three schools so far. He quit his job before he was fired. He did accept therapy and was diagnosed with depression. He tried a couple of anti-depressants and the 2nd one worked but I think he quit taking them.

I get the job of listening to my mother debate how much of his failure to thrive is a result of actual medical difficulties and how much of it is pure laziness. From the other side of things I recognize my brother’s legitimate complaints of constant and unconstructive nagging from our mother. This has been going on for at least two years now, and is only slightly better. My mother cut my brother off financially, and he woke up and realized that if he’s going to play at being a grown-up then he needs to regularly attend either a job or some sort of schooling. We’ll see how long it lasts. I try to be a listening ear and sounding board for both of them. It’s really all I can do. I can’t fix their relationship. I can’t change either of them.

I wonder if your brother isn’t afraid that a therapist is going to give him more of the grief he’s already getting from your parents. It may help him to realize that a therapist can be a helpful, objective shoulder to lean on and vent to. He may be more willing to listen to someone outside the situation.

The other thing I found helpful to realize is that while you do want to help, and I’m sure you’re doing all you can, there’s only so much you *can *do. Be there for your brother, even if he’s not interested at the moment. Make sure he knows he can trust you.
You can point out to your parents that they need to give a little, but I found that to be even harder than helping my brother. They probably don’t want to hear it. People tend to tune out things they don’t want to hear. They’ve been parenting the way they have for a long time and aren’t likely to change tactics now. Pick your battles. Support your brother where they won’t. (although I agree that the “giving up” might just be frustrated venting)

Good luck.

Thank you very much, everyone, for the support and well wishes. And Harriet the Spry and Ghanima, thank you for the book recommendations.

Since things don’t seem to be at a crisis point right now for him, I’ve decided that it would be best to discuss the situation with my therapist next week before saying anything to my parents. I know I like it when posters report back on situations, so I’ll update as things develop.

Well, the problem is, he doesn’t really have any hobbies aside from the video games. He is good at them, but I don’t know how many skills gaming could be evidence of - manual dexterity and problem solving, maybe.

I think my parents don’t really know what to encourage him in aside from going to college. They are rather fixated on academics. Until I got sick and had nothing to do but soul-search, it had honestly never crossed my mind that it would be acceptable for me not to go to college. It does seem to me that my brother simply isn’t suited for academics. He’s a bright kid, he just isn’t motivated to study and do schoolwork.

If my brother is open to it, I’ll talk to him about what he likes to do and is good at and how that could translate into a possible job field. I’ve suggested that he google the subject (careers without college) a bit and I’ll follow up on that. I’m also toying with the idea of suggesting that he take a year off and try various jobs to see if he can find one he really likes and is suited for, but I imagine that isn’t really feasible, given that he has no training and would wind up looking like a job hopper, resume-wise.

That is a very good point. I’ll tell him that. And I hope things keep looking up for your brother, Solfy.

Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. I’ll see what I can do.

Let me point out: all therapists are different, both in their methods and as people (they bring their own personal issues to the table, to a greater or lesser extent). If you have a negative experience with a therapist, try a different one – personal recommendations are really great in this regard.