I am soooo fucking pissed right now!!!!!!

So you’re going to leave before I can convert you into my lesbian harem? Pepper will be so lonely without you!

But seriously dear, speaking as a Net old timer who’s “been there, done that” w.r.t. spending too much time on the net - take a sabbatical. Turn your computer off, except if you MUST use it for work. Take 1 week, and hike, lay out in the sun, do anything else. From reviewing many of your posts over the last 2 months, I see much in them that is identical to when I suffered a Net burnout a couple years ago. You are taking many things much too seriously and to heart, and over-reacting quite a bit. This is being exacerbated by a few people that are really picking on you and/or yanking your chain.

I’m not going to comment on Silo, chat, SDMB, etc. because these are irrelevant.

It’s just not that important, and not that real. You’re too good a person to be destroying yourself like this. You need a break. Please, just announce that you’re on TEMPORARY vacation, remove the cyber-jack from your brain (ala Neuromancer), and come back in a while. I do it occaisionally, and it will put things into perspective. Everyone you like will still be here to welcome you back from vacataion, don’t worry.

If you must get on the net, just e-mail. Don’t chat, don’t post. E-mail me, I know we don’t exactly know each other, but I’ll listen to what you write without judging you.

For those of you who use mIRC as your IRC program of choice, simply use the following command: /ignore silo

Works like a charm.

Myself, the kid amuses me most of the time.

You know how much I admire your contributions here. I’ve stated it in numerous threads. And I have no problems with Silo either, post-Masterson.

It seems to me that you are committing a cardinal sin around here: Telling people how to think and how to do things.

Not doing that is probably Rule #2 around here, after “Don’t be a jerk.”

What happens when some newbie comes on the board and posts a thread saying, “OK, I only want these kind of answers. Don’t respond with such-and-such”? Everybody here, in a stampede, responds in exactly the way they were told not to.

People think for themselves.

In this situation, you seem to be saying, “Silo is good. You’re not entitled to feel differently. If you feel differently, don’t handle it as you see fit. Go through me.”

If people decide they want to have a differing view than your’s, dear, they’re not being jerks. Ditto if they want to handle things in a way other than the one you’ve tried to mandate.

How many times do you have to be told people here like you and want you to stay? I’m not saying that in an attempt to be mean. It actually makes me kind of sad that the message doesn’t seem to sink in with you.

OpalCat said:

Is this true? I thought that Opal’s page merely provided a “gateway” to the chatroom, which had been an existing entity in Mirc for longer. Or did Opal “found” the normal Mirc version as well?

Listen up right now missy!

You know me. I dont bullshit, you know that. You are NOT thinking straight. You are so obviously stressed right now, its is PAINFUL to read what you right.

You need to take a break.

I have had no problem with Silo, and I think the world of you darlin, BUT… if I had a problem with him, I wouldnt take it to you , because you arent his sister, or his mother, or his bodyguard. He has to learn from his mistakes, and you sheilding him will not help him grow.

For example, Angie is my best friend, she is also friends with another Kelly. I can hardly stand her sometimes. Do I have to be her best pal? NO. Angie is allowed to have friends that dont like each other. She has never tried to make us ‘buddies’.

Thanks for that, Angie.

This weekend, me & ange went camping, and the ‘other Kelly’ showed up. I bit my tongue and was nice, and I ended up having fun with her. Did Angie try and force it - HELL NO!

Maybe if you follow her lead then young Mike will find his own way…

Even the fact that you THOUGHT you were kicked from chat is proof that you need a break. Girl, dont MAKE me go over there and force you to take some time off!

In so far as I know, the channel started on Undernet when Opal started inviting people to go there, so to speak. However, the channel does exist completely seperate of the applet since you can get there via mIRC, MS Chat, the UnderNet web site and other assorted IRC clients. No matter which way you go, it’s the same IRC channel, kept in existance by the continual presence of the bots (namely W). Don’t get me wrong, I’m not putting down Opal’s applet and it’s nice of her to keep it going even after she’s shifted focus to the Fathom boards. I’m just mentioning that no one actually owns an IRC channel; I guess the closest you can come is to either be the registered person on Undernet’s W or else use a sever network that has Channel Registration services (like DalNet). However, channels on IRC are like nicknames – first come, first served.

(If you didn’t understand any of the above, don’t worry about it. It’s not important to the conversation above. I was just clarifying for Coldfire.)

(Me again… still think it’s a shame you’re leaving Tech, if that’s your decision. Personally, I think /ignore is the best way for a lot of people to treat the situation.)

Lets see, Diablo II FINALLY comes out, I’ve been playing it a lot in the last few days so I havent been in chat, and ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE! <sigh> “Tune in tomorrow for the next chapter of “As the MB Turns” and find out that Silo is Vix’s long lost twin brother, who married Anth and drove her to women!” Let’s see here.
Techie,
You know I love ya babe, and I find what you are doing with Silo to be admirable. I myself am actually trying to bring Oscar along, so I understand. You meet someone, for some reason there is a connection, and you try to help them reach their potential. It is very easy to get personaly wrapped up in their growing pains and struggles as they learn to be an adult. That being said, I think Anth has a point. Step back for just a bit to get some perspective. You have invested a great deal of emotional resourses in this cause, and I would venture to guess that your bullshit avoidence mechanism, the thing that lets you shrug and turn away from little things, is running on empty. A few days, a week, away from all this crap will do you a world of good. Take a long weekend with your friend the webmaster, you’ll feel a lot better. Silo will manage on his own. In fact, he’ll grow from it. Sometimes the baby birds just gotta be pushed out to fly on their own.
Silo,
Man, if you only know how much I identify with you. When I was 21,( 12 years ago, yikes! ) I was much like you. It is possible to take an obnoxious personality, one that uses a lot of double entendents ( sp? ) and make it work IRL. Doing so depends on the intangeables of human interaction, and these are sadly missing on the net. Strangely enough, word on the street is that you are kinda shy IRL. Maybe you see this as a place where you can just let loose and “be yourself” more. The unfortunate thing is that the part of yourself that you have given free reign to here is not an effective online persona. Like TC, from what I know of you, you can be a very nice kid. Unfortunately, a lot of time you seem to speak without thinking first, and thus impress some people as a person with diarrea of the mouth and constipation of the brain. What I see from you is often bravado. Bravado is the poor cousin of pride. It’s pride that dosen’t really believe in itself. Here’s a piece of advice. DON’T try too hard to impress people. STOP trying to by funny, witty and suave. BE yourself. I know it’s a risk. If people don’t like the real you, what are you left with? Trust me on this one. People will like you if you stop trying to impress them.

Doob,
Hey! I thought you were only out in chat. I see you are here too.( unless I missed it before )Congratulations. Now, I have no idea of the predujidces that you must face every day, and would not presume to tell you how to handle people reacting badly to your orientation. I was not in chat, and I missed the conversation. That being said, based only on the info given in this thread, perhaps Silo ment something else. I can see how he MAY have simply been saying that he is uncomfortable with homosexuals who are militant about it IRL. Accepting someones lifestyle and warding off a pass can be different things. For myself, when it has happened, I just shrug it off, make clear, in a polite way, that I am flattered, but not personaly interested. I then walk away knowing I have met someone with a fetish for ugly men. :smiley: I realize that dealing with the predjudices that you face everyday, it can be easy to be sensitive, but I am only suggesting that possibly you read more than was intended into a simple statement. I don’t know, I’m just giving food for thought.

The Movie Star and the rest,
I have a suggestion. Think about this. How hard is it to ignore someone in chat? You can block messages on ICQ and, I believe, AIM. Refuse any dss chat requests in the room, and skip general messages in the room. I sometimes have a hard enough time following all the people talking in chat when I want to. IF Silo, or Urge or anyone says something outta line, either ignore it, or take a moment to say, nicely, that you thought it was in poor taste and perhapse why. I am willing to bet that 9 times outta 10, the offending person will apologise and state that he/she didn’t mean to be offensive. The upside is also that this person (hopefully) will learn from the exchange. We all benefit from that as the OL expierence becomes better. In my own life, I once said something that was so vile, so offensive, that I still feel deep shame over it ten years later. I realized immediately that what I had said was flat out evil, and apologised profusely, but that experience has tempered my tongue since then, and I am a better person for it.

Finally, Vix and anyone else who is not willing to give Silo et al another chance,
I understand. I have a suggestion here too. Why not, privately, agree between the two of you to ignore each other. If you are both in chat, DO NOT address each other, no PMs, no nothing. Just avoid the friction by avoiding each other, but let the rest of us enjoy the interaction with those we chose to. I am not condeming any of you IN ANY WAY, for feeling that way, just suggestion that y’all let it lie in the name of benifiting the peaceful nature of chat.
And that’s that. Now if y’all will excuse me, I gotta go negotiate peace in a small African country.
Cheers!

Dave

TC? Love? What is going on? I like you. A lot. I’ve repeatedly said that. But this is just…bizarre.

First of all, not everyone is welcoming Silo over in Fathom with open arms. My reaction was a raised eyebrow, and hope that he’ll behave himself. Can’t say I was thrilled to see him there.

Secondly…why the hell would I go to you if I have a problem with anyone else? That’s completely ridiculous, and smacks of high school. Despite behavior that sometimes point to the contrary, Silo is a grown up. If I have a problem with him–if he is being a punk or whatever in chat or on the boards–I will talk to him, not you. Period. That’s just normal, healthy, adult communication. You have no affiliation with him whatsoever, just an affinity for him. To ask us to first come to you is so completely absurd as to leave me scratching my head…and I doubt, in all seriousness, that anyone, anyone is going to follow your strange request.

If you have a problem with me, talk to me, not some net baby-sitter. I’m an adult, and want to be treated as such. The same applies to Silo, despite his antics–if anyone has a problem with him, they should speak directly to him, or deal with him, themselves.

And TC, if you leave, it isn’t because we want you to. Are you listening? Can you quote anyone who has said “leave” in this thread? We like you. If you leave, it isn’t because you aren’t wanted or liked.

I hope you’re feeling better soon.

Well, I never really knew Silo, so I’ll refrain from any comments about him.

TC, I’m sorry, but what you’re requesting is ridiculous. You’re asking us to give him special treatment. Normally, when someone pisses someone else off, that person shouts at the other person, insults fly, etc. What you’re asking is for us to see Silo as a special case because you like him. Don’t you see anything wrong with that? Plus, I don’t know him, but it’s a fact that sometimes people lie. And if he pisses us off, and we email you about it, and you confront him about it, and he denies it, who’s side are you going to take? Because there’s never an in-between. It’s always one side or the other. And perhaps that’s the problem here.

These people all see you as a really good friend. And if I had to guess, they probably feel like you’re taking his side over theirs. They probably feel like you’re abandoning all of them for one person, a person who they didn’t even like in the first place. If anything, they’re probably more mad at him now than they would have been if you hadn’t stepped in.

I dunno, I’m probably reading too much into this. But one thing I can tell you TC, is that NOBODY wants you to leave. Including me.

Please stay.:slight_smile:

(Look! My first smiley ever! Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase come back.)

God damn smiley thing does do damn thing when it’s supposed to… grumble, grumble, grumble…

:slight_smile:

Get a grip. I mean, really. Get… a… fucking… grip.

Why do you care about what other people think? Fuck’em. In this thread, really only about two people disagree on your stance regarding Silo (as indicated by their need to post numerous times to it). The rest either don’t know him, or don’t give two shits about him.

So what’s with all this ballyhoo about leaving the SDMB? You’ve been nothing but helpful here. The picture pages, the banner, the organization of the Vegas gathering, etc. And now you’re gonna leave on account of a couple people who don’t like your psuedo little brother? Well, that’s a crock of shit if I ever heard one.

Alright, look techchick, I’m not gonna sit here and blow smoke up your skirt. The bottom line – stand the fuck up for yourself. If there’s people who are giving you shit, don’t walk away. Have some fucking balls and stand up to them. Coupled with the fact that this is the Internet and anonymity is absolute, it makes the aforesaid all the more easier.

I’ll reiterate the tone here. No one is asking you to leave. You’re either leaving because you think it’s implied, or because you can’t take the heat. (I put my money on the latter). So if you’re gonna leave, fine, there ain’t a damn thing I can do to stop you, but constantly utter that you’re a fucking pussy.

Kelli did try and skewer me… but she missed (barely). I thought maybe it was because the other Kelly showed up, but turns out she tripped over the firewood with the campfire skewer in her hand.

The moral of the story is this…

Techie, lots of people really like you and would be sad to see you go. However disagreements between posters does NOT mean you are being cast out. Take a good look at what YOU have wrote in here, pretend you are someone else, and see how irrationally you are acting.
Silo is not your responsibility, if you want him to be a respected poster, you have to let HIM prove himself, not live in your protective shadow.

If this is the sideshow, I’m glad I didn’t go into the main tent. It reeks of elephant dung.

Well, looks like I’ll be heading on over to DALnet IRC servers for a while, while things cool off. I really hope that everyone starts getting along again soon! I’m just uncomfortable around conflict of this sort, so I’ll gracefully excuse myself for the most part. I’ll be back soon!

Well, I’m about to depart soon for a short holiday so I won’t get to see how this all plays out, so I’m going to have to leave my final thoughts now.

I personally removed the ban off of Silo (at least I hope the ban I removed was the one on Silo) and so since the majority of the channel doesn’t have any intense feelings of hatred towards Silo, he’s welcome to come back as far as I’m concerned. Of course, if he intends on angering the folks on #SD, then he doesn’t have much to complain about. Those who do have a major issue with Silo, my simply advice is to use the “/ignore” command. To make this easier, type:
/ignore Silo
This will make it so you won’t see what Silo types, you won’t get messages by him, you won’t get notices from him, you won’t have to know he exists at all except that his name will still appear on the names list.

Tech, I hope you come back, but I assume you already know that no one is going to accept you as an intermediary between themselves and Silo. Personally, I think such an arrangement would be more degrading to Silo anyway since it makes him out to be either a pet or else someone who can’t defend their own actions. That said, I think you’re a great user on both the channel and the board and I hope you stick around. If “favorite users” lists were still in vogue, you’d be on mine in a flash.

MrCynical, if you must leave Undernet, at least be a man and go on EFnet like the rest of the exiles and runaways. DALnet? Sheesh! :wink:

Everyone else, I hope you all believe that this little spat is not reflective of the usual tone on #SD. We’re a great little group, have a lot of fun just bullshitting most of the time and discussing actual topics the rest of the time. People you’d hardly know from here are active there and it’s a great way to know some of the users quite well. I don’t know about the users who say that chat is all like High School (then again, all message boards are cliques anyway :)) but I don’t remember high school being this much fun.

I never once said you have to like the kid, got it? I have said that many times and in another thread.

Does anyone need a net nanny? No, but I am giving him a chance. I have been in his shoes and know what it’s like to be disliked over misunderstandings. It really helps when you have a person that looks out for you and whaps you over the head when you are being stupid even when you are past your teens. This is something I understand more than any of you know.

He is being given a chance over on the FFF, so my wording is wrong. Pardon moi for my fuck up.

In hindsight, the way I got kicked doesn’t seem too cohesive with the explanations here. I have been verbally lashed for protecting him so it was a little too convenient in the manner that it happened. I, as the person I am, will forgive that though.

vandal, What the fuck? “Get a grip”? “but constantly utter that you’re a fucking pussy”? You need to get a grip dude…kiss my cottage cheese ass. Your comments in this thread do nothing but fuel the fire

Mr. Cynical Don’t leave the SD chat on my account dear. This is an isolated issue. They are still the same fun people that they always have been, unfortunately I am pissed over a few things. Rather than remain silent, I brought it out in public my dear. Please go into chat and have fun chatting with them. I may be a topic of disgust for a while, but that’s okay because it will be a long time before I go back.

I feel terrible over this whole thing. Sometimes I don’t know when to shut the fuck up. But it’s out there and I am sure I made some enemies over it. This is something I will have to deal with, I let things get to me and well I was the one that brought this to light so I have to deal with the consequences of such.

If I offended anyone, I am sorry. If I pissed anyone off, I am sorry. You will hear from me rarely or if at all.

Those of you on the Vegas list, please know that I will be going to Vegas and encourage all on the list to come. After this thread though, I made an ass out of myself. I will be there and if you want we can still do the Saturday night party in my suite. Right now I am feeling like shit so enthusiasm for the whole thing has diminished.

My friendship and wanting to protect someone has gotten in the way again. I am a person that will go out of my way to be a friend and protect people. It’s in my nature. Apparently this friendship alters the way others see me. This is nothing new, my family gets pissed at me over the same thing. I take people under my wing, so to speak, and others look at me as though I have lost my marbles. But to me, there is not a person on Earth that is so horrible that they shouldn’t receive friendship and respect.

I will quietly go along my way and leave you all to do as you please. I will not be in chat anytime soon. I think this may be my last post, but I can’t say for sure. I will go with my head hung low knowing that in my heart I did what I felt was right at the time because I give a shit. That’s all it is, I do give a shit. My heart gets me in places that most people would never go, public opinion rarely means much to me in this regard. If someone is in need of help, I go there and do my best to help out, if I am guilty of anything it’s of opening my heart.

Silo needed someone to help him along the way, I opened up myself to him because I do see a lot of potential there. In my eyes, he is a good kid. He needs a gentle push in the right direction, something I feel I can do. I fear that my thread has caused him to leave the SD since we discussed this last night. I hope I didn’t cause him any undo harm or pain over the fact I created this thread. Silo, if you are reading this, I am sorry hun if I fucked things up further for you. I never meant to create more problems for you. If you never want to speak to me again I understand. If I had it to do all over again I would have kept my damn mouth shut.

Well, without debating the rest of your points, I can say 100% for sure that you got kicked due to a server error, not due to any attempt to be gone with you. Hell, GaWd got kick banned as well. Again, here’s the lowdown on what occured:

(A) The servers split. Some of us are on the main branch, some of us are stuck on the broken part.

(B) The servers rejoin, bit by bit. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but up until fairly recently, the most common method of hacking Ops onto a channel was to “ride a server split” back in. In other words, if you know that server XYZ.net is split, you jump over there, jump on channel #Whatever and since you’re usually the only one there, you get Ops. Then when the servers reconnect, you still have Ops and you start kick-banning the rest of the users.

© GaWd’s script assumes that the massive number of people joining the channel with Ops status is an attempted take-over (see above). GaWd starts mass deOpping people as an automatic action to “protect” the channel.

(D) W detects that (1) GaWd is mass de-Opping the channel and (2) GaWd attempted to deOp W itself. W responds by kicking anyone who (a) was deOpping or (b) was re-Opping people it attempted to deOp. It’s most likely that it was at this point that you got kicked.

(E) I finally get to a point where I can log into W and remove the bans that W was placing and get things back to normal.

No one kicked you intentionally. If they had, they did a crappy job of it since they never placed a ban – but they didn’t. You can believe whatever you want, but the simply fact is that for about two hours last night, about every single server on Undernet was fucked and splitting on about a 5 minute cycle. Things are bound to happen on a night like that and you’re not the only one who was kicked, or banned, or otherwise suffered at the hands of a crabby network.

I don’t lie.
Jophiel doesn’t lie.
Doob doesn’t lie.
VV doesn’t lie.
GaWd doesn’t lie.

This is offensive.
We told you how you got kicked out of the room.
It had nothing whatosever to do with Silo.
Such a great person you must be, you will accuse of us lying with absolutely no basis, and then forgive us for it. Thanks so much. Keep your fucking forgiveness.
I have no desire to get into the Silo debate, but to have me and friends of mine accused of lying is way over the top. I truly think you owe us all an apology.

pat

First off lemme get the most out of line comment

VogueVixen says:

and then follows up with:

It would not stand up as a threat because I never said it in the first place (I was incredibly livid last night over this incredibly out-of-line and absurd statement). I PMed (Personal Messaged) her and asked why the hell she had banned me. She says I insulted her friend. It was simply a joke and no harm was intended. VV (in the PM) called me and idiot asshole loser etc. I asked her why she was such a jerk towards me and she said everyone hates me and wishes I’d go away. I said here statement was B.S. She then cuts what I said out of the personal conversation and pastes it in the main room. I found out that GaWd is the only other person that hates me (?) and that’s it. A few others said they disliked me. But it seems that the only ones who hate me are VV and GaWd. If anyone else “hates me” please speak up. I would have saved the entire PM but I was in Java (not mIRC) and couldn’t cut it, but I would have done it at the time if I could’ve.

I think your statement is an absurd, sweeping generalization. Come on, everyone hates me, Sheesh!

This is so wrong it’s unfucking believable. First I’ll address the most bull-shit statement. I was not bragging about aenea flirting with me, btw who pulled this utterly bogus statement out of their ass. I never said anything to such an effect at all. The only thing I did concerning aenea was I tried to say hi to her and got no real response. I was trying to be friendly to her. This isn’t even high school shit this is pre-school level crap. My god! When this net split occurred VV took the opportunity to de-op then kick me. I came back on Java as Mikee talked to a few people then got kicked again. I was so fucking livid last night you wouldn’t believe.

Uh-huh, here’s the thread if anyone wants to go check it out: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=26256

His script screwed up. Sounds quite a line of shit. But it is remotely possible I suppose. Then again I saw aliens from outer space yesterday.

Kyla says:

I have no problem with gay people (as stated before). I don’t ignore the gay people here, I actually like many of them here. Esprix, matt_mcl, Sqrl, NTG and Dr Matrix are some examples of people here I think are fabulous posters and do not hold a single thing what so ever against them because of their sexual orientation. It bothers me when gay people are overly (to the nth degree) open about their sexuality in public—which most aren’t. And I can’t read an entire book because I have ADD. My mind is constantly jumping around and it’s very hard to focus enough to read entire books. And Kyla, you have said I am materialistic, no not really, but I have seen a lot of shit in my life and have seen the majority of many problems correlated with money. I want to be financially independent and well off, what’s wrong with that. And maybe you never realized but the Computer science major I’m working on is a back up. What I really want to be is a musician.

Falcon says:

I thought we talked about this Falcon, it was a misunderstanding. After we discussed this I posted a response in post # 69 in this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=28487
Getting to Doobious’s comment:

Doobious, I never knew you were gay in the first place. Aside from that I have no problem whatsoever with people that happen to be gay. It’s just when some are overly blunt about it in person. And are like jumping up in down in front of you saying “I’m gay!!” “I’m gay!!” Which I have encountered in SF.
GaWd:

Sorry GaWd I don’t believe you man. I’m not trying to fuel the fire but that’s what I believe and I have reasons too.

Here’s the thread people, I don’t see what the major fuss is about:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=29500

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Chat is altogether a kind of high school thing by its very nature.

[quote]

Seems more like a middle-school or pre-school type of thing, which is why I’ve now deleted my mIRC client. You wont see me in there again.

As for SD I don’t know if I’ll stay I’m so fucking mad!
Not to mention all the nice things I have done lately!
FUCK!

Well Silo, if that’s how you feel… don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Buh-bye!