I’m confused – did you mean “big-ass sponge” or “big ass-sponge”?
I meant big-ass sponge. I.E. a large object with lots of holes (hence Crafter_Man’s logic) that, when dropped in water, expands to temporarily hold lots of water.
When you take it out, out comes the water, just like in Crafter_Man’s arguments.
Big ass-sponge would seem to imply (to me, anyway) a sponge places near or on one’s rectum. Possibly for hemmorhoids or to prevent that nasty ass-hair from accumulating lint. If it got too far in there, it would probably find Crafter_Man’s head. I doubt, however, that it is possible for a soft, porous object to get that far up anyone’s ass, let alone one so already-occupied as Crafter_Man’s.
And now back to today’s episode of “Crafter_Man, You’re an Idiot.”
I thought maybe you were suggesting that he had absorbed a lot of fecal matter. Never mind.
Crafter_Man, if you’re interested in a serious debate on the legitimacy of OCD and ADHD as illnesses, you may wish to read and contribute to this thread in Great Debates. Or, if you’re just here to troll (as seems to be the case as present), please continue to post here and we’ll happily continue to flame your nads off. Your choice.
Are rents high where you are, Guinastasia?
My best friends rent for a three bedroom house is $850, and it was the only place she could find, where she could keep her pets.
My 15 year old siblings also know how to push all of my buttons. I am frequently pissed at them, but if someone came into our house, and said shit about either one of them, then somebody would leave bleeding.
I’m just wondering what else crafter_man thinks the APA is wrong about. ADHD, alcoholism, and pedophilia judging by this and the MC Pit thread. And here he can’t even back up his claims with quotes from horrendously biased websites.
Reading this thread (the relevant bits, anyway) reminded me so much of the relationship between me and my sister. She delighted in grinding away at my self-esteem, digging and jabbing and poking so often I think it became a reflex for her more than something she thought about and did with real purpose. I ended up moving out finally. Time and distance have turned our adversarial relationship into a comfortable, fairly friendly one, for which I’m glad. I wish sometimes I’d been able to stick it out longer; Mom and Dad probably would have mortgaged their souls to send me to college if I’d stayed long enough to go, and maybe as she got a little older my sister would have come around. On the whole, though, things have worked out well enough. Vent when you need to, grit your teeth and hang on while you can, but remember that if you can’t hang on long enough to realize every last detail of your plans for your life, you can let go and things will still be all right. Maybe different, but still all right. Good luck.
(and since this is the Pit, a hearty Fuck You to people who trot out the “something can only bother you if you let it” line. Easier to say than to do, and trust me, anyone you’re parroting it to already knows that, for all the fucking good it does at the moment. Just another scoop of guilt on the whole miserable fucking sundae.)
Pretty high, from what I can tell. Plus, like I said, I don’t want to move out right now. (I could take Buffy and Gypsy along, but then I’d have to leave Misty and Noel behind…
Plus, I LIKE my house. I like my room, I like the air conditioning. I like the kitchen, and the yard. I have all my nice little nook here…I’m not ready to be on my own in an apartment yet. Especially since I can’t cook worth shit.
What were Crafter’s thoughts on pedophilia? THIS should be interesting…
Here’s a quick description of my sister:
She is less than two years older than me and does her best to get me to confide in her. She takes me out to clubs and lets me have lots of fun, but two days later my mom knows everything. She also thinks she has to talk to me about saving my money and doing well in school. Thanks sister, I mean you second nagging mother! :mad:
Gee I feel so lonely. So in an effort to win friends and gain favoritism on this board, I have reevaluated my position:
Guinastasia, you are a victim… You are a victim of a dreadful chemical imbalance, you are the victim of a spoiled, selfish sister, you are the victim of a heartless, uncaring employer, and (in general) the victim of a cold, callous society who does not understand your individual needs. It is not your fault. First-and-foremost, you must work on eliminating the incessant and ruthless annoyances of your prying sister. Ignore her, beat her up, destroy her computer files – do whatever it takes to keep her from victimizing you. You go girl!! Also, you should definitely continue living at home after college. Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise! After all, you have a right to live under your parents’ roof, eat their food, and use their utilities. So just ignore the cold, evil, uncompassionate attacks perpetrated upon you by posters who think-they-know-better; they’re just a bunch of ass-wipes.
How am I doing?
:: licks her finger and puts it up to test the wind ::
Uuuuuuhhhh, nope. Still coming off as an asshole. Maybe check back later.
Oh, yes. I’m a victim…more like, a victim of having to listen to your stupidity.
First off-whatever happened to family? What’s wrong with enjoying being with your family? Being close to your family?
BTW, I had an aunt who died from liver damage caused by years of alcoholism-ironically, this was after she started AA and was sober and gaining a new outlook on life-we were all so proud of her-and a great aunt who is a recovering alcoholic who has spent years as a counselor for Al-Anon and Al-Ateen. Go screw.
Thanks. I’ll re-tool and try again. After all, I just want to be accepted.
So true:D
Crafter_Man I think you need to learn a little maturity yourself. When you realise that you should deal with the information you have and that you don’t have to make up more stuff to warp everything to your worldview then I am sure we will all be alot better off. Learning what respect is would also help.
Perhaps this has something to do with my “alcoholism is not a disease” comment?
In all seriousness (which I find hard to maintain on this board), the reason I don’t like identifying alcoholism a “disease” is because doing so is (IMHO) a subtle attempt to absolve individual responsibility. Because it is often the case that, after the “diagnosis,” an “alcoholic” has the following attitude: “It’s not my fault I crave alcohol… I have no control over it… it’s a neurotic disorder… it’s a chemical imbalance… it’s hereditary… I’m predisposed to it… it’s (insert your favorite medical term of choice)…”
In other words, it really doesn’t matter to me what someone thinks the so-called “cause” of alcoholism is; after all, no one has found the “alcoholism” gene. (In all fairness, some researchers have found what they believe to be certain physical traits and abnormalities commonly shared by alcoholics. But their conclusions and correlations are subtle at best, and often controversial. Some geneticists have even found what they call the “alcoholic gene,” but it is anything but.) To my way of understanding, it all comes down to physical control, personal responsibility, and personal accountability. But when someone hoists the “disease” flag, it insinuates (by virtue of the English language) that it’s not your fault; it’s not your responsibility; you can’t help it; you have no control; etc.
Can you understand my point? Or are you too dense or close-minded to do so? (Please, I’m being very serious.)
Now I know AA stresses individual responsibility, accountability, blaa blaa blaa. This, of course, if good. But words mean things, and the word “disease” conjures of notions that “it’s not your fault.” Am I coming across? My only gripe, therefore, is the word “disease.” A better term, in my opinion, would be something defined by “irresponsible use of alcohol.” I also like “alcohol abuse,” which (thankfully) has even caught on with the mainstream media, and nicely conveys what’s really going on. But please, not disease.
IMHO, your HO is full of S. I don’t like calling alcoholism a “disease” because it doesn’t seem to me that it fits the definition of “disease” and because there appears to be split in medical authority on whether it is or isn’t. But it’s no sweat off my nose if someone else wants to call it (and treat it as) a “disease.”
Do you have a cite for your assertion that classifying and/or treating alcoholism as a disease actually fosters it? Do you understand that having a disease or a disorder does not mean that one has no control over oneself and/or the disease/disorder?
Do you have any idea of how addiction works? Is it a concept with which you are at all familiar? Do you not understand that the mechanics of addiction and its well-documented effect on efforts to exercise “physical control”?
It insinuates this to you, apparently; it doesn’t insinuate any such thing to many others.
You come across as a bit of a moron, frankly. You don’t like the word so we can’t use it? I don’t think so. Alcoholism is abuse of alcohol – by definition. But one may abuse alcohol or “irresponsibly use” alcohol without being an alcoholic – frat boys do it all the time (though many may well be on the road to alcoholism). I have abused alcohol. I am not an alcoholic.
And you didn’t post as if your “only gripe” was with the term “disease;” you posted as if you thought people claimed to be alcoholics because it is “trendy” – that they are, in other words, attention-seeking liars instead of people struggling with a legitimate addiction/disorder/problem/disease.
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So if a husband is “addicted” to physically abusing his wife, are you saying he has a “disease”? What about pedophiles? Do they have a “disease”?
The answer to each is no. Each lacks control and personal accountability & responsibility. Of course, sooner-or-later some pop psychologist will stamp the “disease” label on them, too. After all, we certainly wouldn’t want to make a wife-beater feel guilty…
Read iampunha’s Pit thread about MC for crafter_man’s theories, corroborated by the Family Research Institute, about how gays are more likely to be child molesters. Although, when that was disproved, he decided to ignore the fact that gays are less likely to molest prepubescent children, and still harp on the fact that they are more likely to molest postpubescent children. Which, while true, seems to speak volumes about whom he wants to distrust.
Well, some people are indeed predisposed to be unable to handle alcohol. They have less control over it than others. Programs like AA specialize in getting people to understand that they are powerless to control their alcohol consumption. They also stress personal responsibility. Apparently the concept of personal responsibility is not incompatible with accepting medical truths.
Your “way of understanding” is contrary to the facts. We will not change the facts to accomodate you.
In any event, the fact that some people are predisposed to have problems with alcohol does not absolve them of all responsibility, as you seem to think. Alcoholism is not someone’s fault, any more than their height is. Abusing alcohol, and not seeking help is someone’s fault, even if it is harder for that person to avoid than it is for most.
In your dream world of “personal responsibility”, programs like AA would not exist, and alcoholics would be considered irresponsible, and die lying in gutters choking on their own vomit, as they used to do more often. Which would be only one of many things that indicte to me that the world as you would have it is a seriously fucked up place.
Do you have any evidence that wife-beating or pedophilia result in physical addiction? Because if you don’t, just quietly stick your head back up your ass.
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Facts? Really? Please show me these facts.
You can’t, because what we’re really dealing with here are opinions. Unlike Leukemia, you can’t “prove” alcoholism is a disease, unless you count behavior tendencies. If that’s the case, I can come up with millions of diseases.
So tell me… do pedophiles have a disease? Should they be given medical treatment instead of locked up in jail? What about incessant wife beaters? Just curious.
Hey! Moron! Alcoholics suffer from a provable, demonstrable physical addiction. Y’know, like drug addicts. Pedophiles and wife beaters do not suffer from a physical addiction. If you have any proof that they do, why don’t you trot it out?