Well, Hitler had a loyalty oath and so did Trump so there’s that.
It’s like when you’re walking down the sidewalk, and you encounter someone with a card table who has a game of three card monte set up. “Wanna try your luck?” Anyone with the smallest amount of pride and/or self respect will just kind of laugh and walk around the table and go about their day.
Trump supporters: “Fuck yeah I want to play! You’re gonna make me rich, right?”
NO!!! You can see that shit a mile away!
You can see that shit a mile away, right??
Point of fact, he is laughed at / hated / despised as a buffoon by his own party, as the investigation of Fox has proven. While he admittedly has legions of brainwashed (more on this later) fans that love him, the disgust and hate for him is substantial, but most politicians (and many voters) put up with him to get whatever it is they actually want.
Not anyone in my circles, probably better to ask those around you why they felt that way. I do agree that he had autocratic tendencies and wanted to break the system so he could act as a Dictator, but especially as a Jew, I would never have compared him to Hitler.
I think the thread has made numerous examples, although the most egregious to me was COVID, his “perfect” calls regarding Ukraine and Georgia, using force to clear protests, and (duh) inciting an insurrection. (Dis)honorable mentions for supporting white power types, misogyny (of multiple flavors), and using the presidency grift money (again multiple flavors).
All that said of course, and not denying that I hate Trump, I hate McConnell and the Murdochs and/or FOX more. Trump was a selfish, petty little bigoted lump of puffery, as his business and entertainment careers made perfectly clear. In a rational world, those who knew better would have done damage control - or been willing to say No. The two sources above absolutely used and amplified the worst traits of Trump in order to push the US towards an actual collapse of representative government, and we’ll be dealing with the fallout for decades, IF we ever recover.
Which leads us back to FOX and the brainwashed comment above. FOX has taught at least an entire generation that facts don’t matter, and that it’s fine to ignore evidence when it’s unpleasant, while trumpeting lies at full volume. Those people lost to this philosophy are insanely dangerous, and nothing stops them from voting. So yeah. I absolutely Hate them more.
So yeah. Hate, like respect, can and is earned, not just prejudice which was insinuated in the first line of the OP I quoted.
Because he turned “Idiocracy” into a documentary.
And getting back to the OP, none of the posts above are upset with Trump about traditional left-right political divides, like taxes, and affirmative action, and energy policy, and all those other things.
Trump is unique. He is a bad person who is breaking basic norms of democracy and the international order. The judicial system is under siege, with every court decision against him being politicised. The democratic system barely scraped through on January 6. He is dangerous in a way that no other politician is, left or right.
P.J. O’Rourke, rest his soul, got it right in 2016. He was going to vote for Hilary Clinton, even though he thought she was wrong on nearly everything, because “she was wrong within normal parameters”. As a hard right-wing Republican, he saw the danger that Trump posed.
Oh, yeh, I remember listening to the radio show (“Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me”) in my car that time and damn near drove off the road when I heard that. The host and guests gasped.
So, anyway, @Dodgy_Dude, what are your thoughts?
Yeah. Perhaps someone can explain how it’s possible not to hate that guy (Trump)
“He’s everything wrong with a human being stuffed into one man."
–Bill Maher
“Obama Was What We Aspire To Be, Trump Is Who We Are.”
– D.L. Hughley
The other day I saw one of the Central Park 5 being interviewed.
For anyone that doesn’t know, it was the case of 5 black and latino teens arrested for the assault and rape of a female jogger.
In the days leading up to their indictment, Trump spent tens of thousands of dollars putting adverts in all the top newspapers calling for the death penalty for these youths.
Years later, after they had spent more than a decade in jail, they were all exonerated, as a serial rapist owned up to the crime, claimed he acted alone, and DNA evidence confirmed this.
Trump never apologized, he just doubled down and claimed there were “people on both sides” of the issue (?)
I mention this just because it was yet another example of how much of a scumbag Trump is. I had completely forgotten about the central park 5, which is shameful, but it’s just been crowded out with so many other sociopathic, anti-democracy and sadistic acts.
My hatred stems from the fact that he makes me sad and embarrassed to be American.
After all the things listed already in this thread, he is still the leading Republican candidate and has a legitimate shot at another term in the White House. The fact that nearly half the country see all his vitriol and want more of it because it is aimed at “those other people”? It boggles the mind that my country is that cruel.
If anything, I hope we’re getting to the point where that’s a stretch. I hope and pray the number is closer to “nearly a third”, which would give him no chance (I know we already have multiple threads going on that).
For someone to be unaware of the reasons people hate Trump is simply mind boggling. I can’t buy it as genuine. There’s just no way.
What set me off was his (and his staff’s) creation and use of “alternative facts” as is they were every bit as valid as real facts. And his marketing of his position as the Truth, even though it might change from day to day.
Good summary.
Bullshit, most of us are nowhere that bad.
I was trying to think of an analogy for the idea that Trump, of all people, ended up as President of the United States. It boggles the mind. The best I could come up with was taking the most obnoxious kid in 9th grade and making him the school principal. The move would be cheered by the most deplorable students, and cause horror to the rest.
As of March 2023, the US had 341 deaths per 100,000 population. Canada had 135. 2.5 times more. These two numbers should have been comparable, and Trump bears a lot of responsibility for the difference. The US had over 680,000 excess deaths by this metric. The case/fatality rations were similar for the two countries, so the excess deaths can be explained simply by the number of cases and especially the number of unvaccinated thanks to Trump.
Trump has a circle of evil over his head which his supporters mistake for a halo.
Trump went on national TV in front of over 70 million Americans and implored a group of violent assholes to stand by and be ready to do something about “the left” because somebody has to.
“The Left” is me. Me and my family and my friends. He told these people to be ready to do “something” about me. You don’t get to threaten my family and think I’m not going to pop a bottle of champagne when you breathe your last breath.
Lets add that many of those violent assholes he was talking to went to DC and tried to stop the peaceful transition of authority to the man who won the election.