That’s just wacky. I have NO IDEA why that happened. So, here is what the OP is supposed to say:
Please don’t think I’m stupid for any of my questions. I’ve watched the damn movie about four or five times (twice straight through) and still am unsure of some things. By the way, I loved the movie…but I love MOST movies.
Have you watched the movie with your closed captioning on? I did and found that many of the characters speak “Huttese”. Why is this language so prevailent (sp) with so many of these characters? I thought the Hutts were only prevailant on Tattoine.
Big dumb question: is the chancellor the same person as “Darth Sidious”? The Chancellor is Palpatine, correct? (Yes, I did see Phantom Menace). The chancellor is head of the senate, correct?
Are the clones bad? Or is it that they aren’t bad now, but WILL be? This confuses me b/c another Jedi supposedly ordered the creation of this army, right? What was this Jedi’s name again and was he in phantom menace?
Do you think that Hayden will return as Anakin just like Ewan McGregor returned as Obi Wan? (please, God, say it’s so)
Thanks to any and all who take the time to clear this up for m
I dunno. This is a WAG, but I’d say it’s because the Hutts are interstellar traders, gamblers, black-market types, so they travel around spreading the language, and speaking Huttese is a requirment if you want to be involved in any of the Hutt-dominated industries.
Yes, yes, yes.
I’ma guess that the clones were created by Palpatine so he could create a crisis (Sidious, who I’m pretty sure is Palpatine in disguise, works with the Trade Federation) and use them to institute marshall law (The Empire). And they’re clones of baddies the Fetts, so evil. BUT, they’re on “our” side in Attack of the Clones.
They never actually come out and say the two dudes are one and the same, leading many to believe that somehow they are two separate people (possibly through use of cloning, or something)
I believe the clones in AOTC are the first generation of Stormtroopers. Right now they work for the Republic, and right now-- on paper anyway-- the Republic is still good. When it eventually becomes the “Empire,” they’ll be working for the bad guys.
Incidentally, I just saw AOTC for the first time tonight.
The Hutts are very powerful in the black market, pretty much controlling the majority of organized crime in the galaxy. As such, most of their hoods, toughs, punks, and cronies probably speak their language, and it probably evolved into how “street-smart” (hyperspace-smart?) guys talked.
Okay, here’s what we know. Spoilers for pretty much every Star Wars film to follow:
The Emperor, whom we see in Episodes V and VI, is not referred to by the name Palpatine on film, but that was known to be his name long before Episode I premiered - Emperor Palpatine. The name Darth Sidious, however, is new. Ian McDiarmid played all of these characters: Emperor Palpatine in Episode VI, Senator/Chancellor Palpatine and Darth Sidious in Episode I, and Chancellor Palpatine and Darth Sidious in Episode II. For Episode III, he is credited as Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Darth Vader is known as “The Dark Lord of the Sith”, and given what was said in Episode I, Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader have a very Sithlike relationship. Plus, you know, Vader is named Darth, just like all the other Sith. So, by the time Episode V comes around, I think it is safe to assume that Palpatine is the head of the Sith, and head of the Empire. Given that, it seems extremely likely that Darth Sidious is Emperor Palpatine.
But, the question becomes, is the Palpatine we see in Episodes I and II the same Palpatine we see in Episode VI? They’re played by the same actor, and they have the same name, and they’re in very comparable positions in the government. But let’s not jump to conclusions. The best argument against this, besides “It’s too obvious,” is that the Jedi Council say they would know if there were Sith anywhere near the Senate.
In addition to this, Dooku says that (as of Episode II) the Senate is under control of Darth Sidious. Although Yoda dismisses this as deception, I’m pretty sure it must be true. Most likely, Sidious is in control of Palpatine (if not Palpatine himself).
I’ve never been sure exactly why people think this. The Jedi are pretty obviously out of the center of things - and they know it.
And Lcasfilm has as much as confirmed that Sidious IS Palpatine. In TPM, the scene where Darth Sidious is talking to Maul officiall takes place on Palpatine’s balcony. There would not really be any reason to continue with the hidden Sith Lord routine after he made the Republic into the Empire, so he presumably dropped it. Darth Vader kept only the name.
Its obvious in the movie the Clones were set up by the bad guys, although who paced the order is irrelevant - “I was hired by a man named Tyrannus…” and Dooku is later revealed to be Tyrannus. Its likely Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas was killed and impersonated, though we don’t knwo what exactly went on. He may have turned to the dark side and set the order, then been ousted by Tyrannus, or who knows.
Regardless, the whole thing is masterminded by Sidious to weaken the Republic and push it into a hole where only a strong executive can dig it out - him.
Would they though? One of the central points of AOTC is that the Jedi Council has weakened, and cannot percieve threats as readily as they have in the past (Yoda and Mace “Shaft” Windu talk about this – they’re surprised they weren’t force-aware of the clone army). It could be their ability to percieve danger has eroded so much they can’t even see the danger hidden in plain view.
Please, God, tell me you’re joking! Hayden was probably the worst actor any of the Star Wars movies has seen, and that’s saying a LOT! He oozed “Date Rapist” in every scene with Padme, and was absolutely terrible overall. Both Anakin and Luke were winny little little bitches, but Luke was at least likeable because Mark Hamil was likeable. All I wanted from Hayden was to watch Anakin get horribly mutilated (of course, I felt the same way about that little kid that played him as a child as well).
Agreed. I also interpreted this as a sign of Sidious/Palpatine’s own enormous power in the dark side, and a good way to imply that if anyone can take over the galaxy, it’s him. One of the few good things about the movie, unfortunately.
I believe the Palpatine in the Senate chamber is a clone of Darth Sidious. As a non-force user, the clone could stand right next to Yoda and he’d never be any the wiser. Once Palpatine succeeds in consolidating executive power, the clone will be discarded and Darth Sidious will take his place.
I thought Palpatine’s plot was pretty nifty. Dooku told Obi Wan the truth–that a Sith Lord is in charge of the Senate. Obi Wan doesn’t believe him because, well, he’s a bad guy and he lies. Yoda was forced to use the clone army to rescue the Jedi, thus giving the illegal army the Jedi stamp of approval. That’s why Yoda says at the end that it’s not a victory for the Jedi.
Agree 1,000%! I absolutely HATED Hayden. Through the whole movie, I kept thinking, “THIS bitchy, whiny kid is going to turn into Darth Vader, Badass Mofo of the Universe?” He was a joke! There was absolutely NOTHING menacing about him, nothing to even hint that he has potential to be anything other than a spoiled whiny snot who stamps his foot and runs away when he doesn’t get what he wants. Any time he even tried to look menacing he just came across as pouty.
The one shot the movie had of showing us the anger and evil lurking inside Anakin was when he slaughtered the sand people. And they didn’t show it so we still don’t know. I think that was a huge missed opportunity. At this point, I really don’t see how they are going to turn the Anakin we know into Darth Vader. And if they use Hayden again…forget it. There’s no possible way for him to portray the Vader we know after his performance in AOtC.
Palpatine may be a clone, but then how could the Emperor be controlling him without a Jedi sensing it? Okay, okay…“the dark side clouds everything.” But, I think that Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same because (if memory serves), at the end of the movie Sidious is meeting with Dooku…and at the same time of their meeting the Senate is observing the Clone army - but Palpatine is not with the Senate (because he’s with Dooku). Correct me if I’m wrong.
As I think about it, it is becoming more and more clear. Remember the scene where Anakin is in Palpatine’s office and the conversation they had after Anakin was told to protect Senator Padme: (apologies for not having exact quotes)
Palpatine: “So they finally gave you an assignment.”
Anakin: “Yes, thanks to your guidance.”
Huh? This baffled me because I wasn’t aware that there was any “guidance” given from Palpatine to Anakin. So he’s basically orchestrating (somewhat) Anakin’s moves.
And I’m glad that someone said the clone army is the first generation of the Imperial army. That was my thinking as well.
Someone also mentioned that Yoda used the “illegal” army to save the Jedi, but all power has been handed over to the Chancellor. Upon receiving this power Palpatine orders the use of this army. So, it’s not illegal.
Lastly, I first saw Hayden in “Life as a House” and fell in love with him. What you all call “bitchy” I call “well-portrayed-teenage-angst”. Yes, he’s whiny. Yes, he’s bitchy. But these are the traits that lead to his transformation. If they bring him back, he will definitely have to gain about 15 or 20 lbs. to look more mature.
The guidance given by Palpatine here was to the ‘they,’ not to Anakin. As in, ‘Because of the guidance you gave to them, they gave me this assignment.’
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It’s been a long time since I read it, but didn’t the novelization of the original Star Wars say that Senator Palpatine became the emporer? Maybe I’m just being set up for a big swerve, but I’m thinking the lack of explictly naming him in the movies so far is just for a greater dramatic effect when it does happen.
Then again, maybe I’m just weird because I liked the last two movies. Sure, they weren’t as awe-inspiring as the original, but nothing ever will be.
Hayden Christiansen was awful, but he’ll be back, just to make sure the next movie won’t be any good either.
This is utterly confusing, as they ARE the same person. Btw, I think it was acknowledged early in Phantom Menace. The Trade Federation guys say “we must contact Lord Sidious” and are seen talking to Palpatine.
In Episode I, Palpatine says to Anakin “We’ll watch your career with great interest!” In Episode II, near the start there is dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan about politicians, and Anakin defends Palpatine. It is clear, IMHO, that Palpatine has been grooming Anakin as a prospective apprentice for quite some time, and that Anakin sees him as a kind of mentor.
Also, note that Palpatine’s next line is, “You don’t need guidance, Anakin…”
As to the plot, here’s my take on the prequels:
The charming Senator Palpatine from Naboo also happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith – Darth Sidious. As Sidious, he convinces the Trade Federation to blockade and invade Naboo, no doubt promising financial benefits of some kind. He then uses this situation to his advantage by manipulating Queen Amidala into calling for a vote of no confidence in the current Supreme Chancellor. He then rides into office on a strong sympathy vote.
No doubt as a Sith Lord Sidious/Palpatine is always keeping an eye out on those who may be favourable to his philosophy and willing to join his cause, should the need ever arise for a new apprentice. Disenfranchised Jedi would be particularly handy, so he already had Count Dooku in line waiting when Maul bit the bullet during the Battle of Naboo. Dooku thus adopts the Sith pseudonym Darth Tyranus.
Now that Palpatine is Supreme Chancellor, the next step is to secure a dictatorship. For this he’ll need a) a galactic crisis, b) a military ready to go, and c) some ordinary household glue.
Dooku, still a member of the Jedi Order at this point, erases Kamino from the Jedi archives and arranges for a suitable template for a clone army. Either Dooku or Palpatine then impersonate recently-slain Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas and order a clone army on behalf of the Republic from the Kaminoans. Meanwhile, Palpatine is buttering up young Anakin Skywalker in preparation for an eventual apprenticeship.
Once the army has started to grow, Dooku leaves the Jedi Order and starts a Separatist movement. This is the manufactured crisis that Palpatine needs. Commerce guilds etc. join the movement in order to ensure that trade barriers are lifted. As the galaxy teeters on the brink of war, Palpatine gains his emergency powers in order to approve the use of a clone army for the Republic.
There are two things that still stand in Palpatine’s way, however: 1) the Jedi, and 2) the senate.
Once the Clone Wars are complete, Palpatine will scapegoat the Jedi somehow and use the clones to hunt them down. He will then declare himself Emperor, and the Republic will be the Empire. Anakin will kill Dooku and be reborn as Darth Vader.
The Death Star plans that were stolen from the Geonosians will be used to construct a massive “technological terror”, and with this Palpatine with have enough power to permanently dissolve the senate. (See Episode IV.)
