Poor thing. Such bitterness, and such a cynical look at the world–any unplanned child will end up locked in a car or otherwise abused? I suspect the man who used and discarded her must have been particularly vile. I hope she finds some joy in her life.
As for the T-shirt, maybe for rallies, but I would find it hard to speak normally with any woman wearing one–I’d be totally knocked for a loop.
What’s dishonest about it? She is hoping that people have abortions, for heaven’s sake. Good Lord, were you raised by wolves?
Either provide a cite for this or retract it, you disingenuous cad.
Did you read the context in which milroyj’s carefully cut quotation was originally offered?
Our resident weasel (aka milroyj) conveniently left out the bolded section.
Now, you can reasonably argue that more abortions is not the solution, even when the alternative is a woman raising a child that she’s “not mentally or financially capable or raising.” I might disagree with you, but i would respect your right to hold the opinion.
What i can’t respect is the blatant dishonesty with which milroyj attempted to suggest that sperfur favors abortions simply for their own sake. The caveats offered in sperfur’s post are crucial to the argument, and to pretend that they were not even offered takes a level of disingenuousness that borders on the pathological.
I’m with GUINASTASIA and PUNDITLISA – a safe place to be as they are both pretty smart chicks. 
I feel no need to weigh in (or wade in) on the politics, but Holy Overshare, Batman. I’m firmly pro-choice, and I would never, under any circumstances, where such a shirt, rally or no. And I seriously doubt a person encountering a woman in this shirt would “look beyond” the issue to “see” the woman wearing it in some personalizing way. I think the viewer’s reaction would far more likely be “Holy shit, did you see that chick’s shirt???” Some things are personal and that IMO includes the gynocological, the surgical, and the (in most cases) emotionally difficult.
If the government tries to infringe upon my defacatory rights, I will fight it with every fiber (ha!) of my being. But I won’t be wearing a shirt announcing I TAKE A DUMP.
It’s especially disgusting, considering you cut off the rest of her sentence, which said she’d rather people have abortions than go on to raise children they abuse.
:rolleyes:
So I think we’re all in agreement, basically-at a protest, yeah, that makes sense. I wouldn’t wear one, but hey, you see all kinds of things at rallies and such.
Everyday-eh, kinda stupid. Although a man wearing one would crack me up. It looks more like a troll thing, to me. People wanting to get a reaction. Doesn’t mean that someone shouldn’t have the RIGHT to wear one. But I much prefer the slogan, I’M PRO CHOICE AND I VOTE.
See, in the end, t-shirt slogans, while cute, aren’t going to make much of a difference as honest, intelligent debate will. This will just make people get all hot and bothered and it’s not like we don’t have enough of THAT when it comes to abortion. Like I said, people are literally committing acts of terrorism when it comes to this.
Aw, thanks Jodi.
If you want to go the defiant, in your face route, though, I saw a button I found amusing-a sketch of a little curl holding a huge pair of scissors with the phrase, “If you cut off my reproductive choice, can I cut off your’s?” (No, people shouldn’t be using abortion as their sole means of birth control. But I think it points out to just how personal this is-I do NOT want someone else to have control over my own body.)
This is why abortion debates are stupid and why there can be no compromise between the two sides. From her point of view you are saying “they are going to have a crappy life, best kill the child now and save them from it”. That is why it is such a horrific statement.
Well, then let me tell you my point of view, then, but prepare yourself–it’s pretty horrific: While I’m pretty happy about being alive (today, anyway) I can tell you in all honesty, I would have preferred to have been aborted than to have been raped, like I was, at four years of age (and beyond).
Then you are free to kill yourself. Don’t make that assumption, or act on it, for others.
Does that mean you’re a foster parent? Do you work with afterschool programs for latchkey kids? Do you do anything but tell people what you ‘think’ they should do?
You absolute piece of shit. You contemptible vermin.
How dare you make such a remark, you sleazy fuck.
The gall of some ‘Right to Life’ people that they can be so FUCKING concerned with a ‘child’ before it is born and not give a shit about it after. Well, until the kid is an adult that can be sent to die in a war.
The Reverend Mother should have jabbed the Gom Jabbar so hard in your neck that it came out the other side.
Oh, knock it off. That is what it means to be disingenuous.
She just said that she wishes somebody killed her. Fine, but she can’t make that choice for anyone else.
To be concerned about a child is to ok killing it? What you are saying would be true if we were talking about birth control, but once a child is created it is a human being and you have no right to deprive it of the chance to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What is sleazy and is to say “Well, there life is gonna suck, better kill them.” What remarkable concern that is.
BTW, miss the cite up above?
Again, abortion, like slavery 150 years ago is an unreconcilable debate. One side is going to loose completely and the other side will win completely. These debates just turn into name calling.
It was always an abortion thread.
See, this is where you don’t get it. It’s not “killing”. It’s terminating a pregnancy before it becomes a human being, as currently (and hopefully, always) defined by your government. She never said she wanted to be killed; she said she, at one time, was so unhappy in her life that she wished she’d never been born. Huge difference. Take a good look at her statement again.
Again, there is no killing of human beings involved here. No children. No babies. No deprivation of human rights or pursuit of anything. The mass of cells is not a human being.
(Italics mine) Yup. That choice. Which is all abortion rights activists want her to have…the choice.
…had I not forgotten that italics are already included in quotes. :smack:
Pretend I actually bolded this part: “make that choice”
And see, that is the whole crux of the abortion debate, and why it is destined to end up going in circles. Because you say it’s not a baby or a human being. But a lot of other people are convinced that it is.
It’s the same kind of debate that can happen between those who believe (or don’t believe) that there is a God. So the people that don’t believe in a God proclaim “There is no God” and then those who believe there is a God say, “Yes, there is a God” and back and forth and back and forth and . . . Oy.
Eh. I have my opinions but I don’t have the energy (when have I ever?) to get into a heated abortion debate.
And once again, I agree with Guin and PunditLisa and Jodi, etc… The t-shirt isn’t to my taste. I understand it is probably worn at political events and rallies, but anywhere else seems like Too Much Information for me.
But see…a mass of cells is a potential baby. It is also a potential serial killer, a potential brain surgeon, a potential shoe salesman. That doesn’t mean we designate a cell in Stateville Penitentiary, enroll the cells at Harvard, or buy up stock in Manolo Blanik.
As far as the t-shirt goes, yes…I’d wear it at a rally or other political event. I don’t find it flippant, horrendous, or tacky. Other than that, it’s really no one’s business. I wouldn’t be horrified so much as concerned if I saw someone wearing it on the street. You might as well wear a sign inviting the crazies to take a shot at you.
Ah! Of course!
All the pro-life people will now see the light and completely change their minds after reading your line of reasoning. Astonishingly easy, wasn’t it? 