I like my women -> ? Who is the next top waddle?

In My Humble Opinion
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Tyra , you are not the next top Waddle, you look great, this society is so damn brainwashed to think 95 pound 6 foot 2 women are hot! What kind of bollocks is that? In my opinion women who have less than 10% BMI and think that they are entitled to the fruits of the society soley based on the way they look are unfortunately lost. Not irretrievabley(sp?) lost, but going down the wrong rabbit hole at least…

I think women who are naturally proportioned are quite beautiful.
Having worked for several years as a psychology instructor at a college, I had the chance to witness several young women who dropped out of school because of severe psychological trauma resulting from anorexia and bulimia. I do not need to get involved in their personal issues on a board like this, but I was one of the girls’ academic advisor, and she was so disillusioned about herself, and the way she looked that she nearly took her own life. We talked about this at length and she was desperately trying to conform to the Hollywood model of young women today. Nothing I said did much, and in the end she dropped out of school and pursued a career in acting or something along those lines. I have heard since she has been in and out of clinics for treatment of anorexia and bulimia. This makes me very sad…

Why does society feel they must conform to this?
What do women think?
Men? Natural or anorexic? Don’t confuse natural with portly, and don’t confuse anorexic with the norm.

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I wasn’t going to post, since I have very little opinion, but I must know what a Waddle is!

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I think it’s an odd choice of pun for “model.”

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[QUOTE=Anaamika]
I wasn’t going to post, since I have very little opinion, but I must know what a Waddle is!
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Tyra Banks has gained some weight and she has been lamb basted by the press as being the next top waddle i.e. fat model. Which of course is bullsh*t.
See

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]
Tyra Banks has gained some weight and she has been lamb basted by the press as being the next top waddle i.e. fat model. Which of course is bullsh*t.
See
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Oh jeez. What is wrong with our media and our standards of beauty. And what’s wrong with curves?

goes off fuming

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[QUOTE=Anaamika]
I wasn’t going to post, since I have very little opinion, but I must know what a Waddle is!
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As has been said, it was an odd pun for “model.” It’s referring to the idea that large people “waddle” and that Tyra is so incredibly large that she will waddle as well. I think some gossip rag used it first and is being quoted here. :dubious:

I think she looks gorgeous, myself. She’s also well within the range of normal weight for her height, and looks a lot better to me now that she has a bit of flesh on her. She says she weighs 161lbs, and she’s 5’10". That’s perfectly healthy and acceptable, of course. My mother refused to believe she weighed even that much until I pointed out that Tyra and I are apparently the same size. I’m no supermodel, but I’m hardly what anyone could seriously call “fat”, either.

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Well there’s no question beauty standards for women are impossibly high these days. Personally, I think I have a gorgeous body. I’m 5’2’’ and a size 12, very hippy and busty… for a long time I believed I really must be ugly, because society does not worship women who look like me. But when I’m standing around naked at home, I’m like, “Damn… what’s wrong with the world? Who would not want to hit that?” I wish, I truly wish, more women could feel this way, and believe they are beautiful regardless of what some dumbass frat kid or the mass media thinks. I love me, my husband loves me… and in my little universe, those are the only two people whose opinion matters.

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]
Tyra , you are not the next top Waddle, you look great, this society is so damn brainwashed to think 95 pound 6 foot 2 women are hot! What kind of bollocks is that? In my opinion women who have less than 10% BMI and think that they are entitled to the fruits of the society soley based on the way they look are unfortunately lost. Not irretrievabley(sp?) lost, but going down the wrong rabbit hole at least…

I think women who are naturally proportioned are quite beautiful.
Having worked for several years as a psychology instructor at a college, I had the chance to witness several young women who dropped out of school because of severe psychological trauma resulting from anorexia and bulimia. I do not need to get involved in their personal issues on a board like this, but I was one of the girls’ academic advisor, and she was so disillusioned about herself, and the way she looked that she nearly took her own life. We talked about this at length and she was desperately trying to conform to the Hollywood model of young women today. Nothing I said did much, and in the end she dropped out of school and pursued a career in acting or something along those lines. I have heard since she has been in and out of clinics for treatment of anorexia and bulimia. This makes me very sad…

Why does society feel they must conform to this?
What do women think?
Men? Natural or anorexic? Don’t confuse natural with portly, and don’t confuse anorexic with the norm.
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Reminds me of a post I made in a breast augementation thread:

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Originally Posted by VenusProbe
I have a friend who was blessed with A-cup breasts. I love breasts of all sizes and enjoyed hers a lot! She wasn’t happy with them and had surgery, She’s a very full C / small D now. she is a changed person, more confident and much happier. I think her new look has done wonders for her. I don’t care for the feel of the implants but she’s happy and that’s all that matters.
*Hope this isn’t headed straight for the pit, but could someone cite the scientist that discovered that the seat of self-esteem and self-confidence is found directly inside large breasts? I must be a genetic anomaly since even with only my almost A’s, I still have enough confidence to hold my head up in public. Where exactly is confidence and esteem seated in men? Perhaps in their external sexual characteristics as well? If so, why don’t I hear more about testicular augmentation or penis extension surgery?

I’ve watched the plastic surgery show on I think VH1 or E a few times and I’ve never heard any of the doctors mention to the women that come in for the giganto-boobs that it may interfere with their ability to breast feed at some future time or that they may lose nipple sensitivity, or that anytime anyone goes under the knife there is a chance for infection and possibly even death. I imagine it is probably in the fine print of some release they probably ask these women to sign.

I wouldn’t wish breast augmentation on my daughters any more than I would wish the type clitoral amputation still performed in some cultures. But I’m the type of person who would never dock my dogs tail or ears, if that says anything.

Someone please help me understand why our society thinks this OK. Please also address how cutting people open without a medical reason doesn’t violate the Hippocratic oath.

BTW- HooiserDaddy LOVES my almost A’s with a deep an abiding affection.*

Not only does society dictate that we must be skeletal, but we must also have bodacious tatas. Hoosier Daddy calls the image “Boys with breasts”.

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I don’t mind a little meat on my women but that pic in the OP makes Tyra look like a transvestite.

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[QUOTE=CaerieD]
As has been said, it was an odd pun for “model.” It’s referring to the idea that large people “waddle” and that Tyra is so incredibly large that she will waddle as well. I think some gossip rag used it first and is being quoted here. :dubious:

I think she looks gorgeous, myself. She’s also well within the range of normal weight for her height, and looks a lot better to me now that she has a bit of flesh on her. She says she weighs 161lbs, and she’s 5’10". That’s perfectly healthy and acceptable, of course.** My mother refused to believe she weighed even that much until I pointed out that Tyra and I are apparently the same size.** I’m no supermodel, but I’m hardly what anyone could seriously call “fat”, either.
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This is why a lot of guy-oriented radio and television talk shows that discuss topics like this disgust me. A good deal of the time (on the ones I’ve listened to), a female caller will get on air and state their opinion. Often enough, the male host will ask them how tall they are and how much they weigh. If they’re within three inches of Tyra’s height and weigh over 120 lbs, they’re labeled as being a “fat chick.” If they’re short, the bar drops down to 100 lbs in most cases. I really have to wonder how pervasive it is at times, because, well, I don’t share how much I weigh in real life to strangers most of the time because of reactions like this. (I’m a bit pudgy, but I don’t have the figure of a roly-poly.) I will concede, however, that a lot of women are more ridiculous about these expectations than any men I’ve met. (From personal experience, I get less “OMG she’s so fat!” comments from men than from women. I don’t get them often, but it’s rare that a man will look disgusted at my size or make comments about it.) Maybe women are more catty about this because a lot of them are trapped into feeling like they have to fulfill these delusional concepts of beauty.

Personally, I think Tyra looks better with the extra bit of weight, and she appears to be reaping benefit in the health/energy department from having gained a little weight. I don’t like beng able to see bones protruding from anyone’s figure, and what irks me the most is if one can easily count the ribs on a person from a distance. The extremes of weight/size aren’t attractive to me.

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According to that People site, she’s 5’10" and now 161 pounds. Using the BMI standard, she is solidly NORMAL at that weight and was on the border of UNDERWEIGHT at her old covergirl weight. There is something very wrong with this culture. No wonder we have so many young women wrecking their health and lives with eating disorders. People don’t even know what a normal woman looks like anymore.

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If you’ll study the content of porn websites, men’s magazines, and such, distasteful as it may be to you, you’ll note that regular guys are attracted to curvy women with noticeable hips and breasts. Danni Ashe being the avatar, the most downloaded woman on the Internet, to wit (link is of course NSFW):

http://www.danni-ashe.us/danni-horizontal.jpg

The problem are, the people in charge of the fashion industry, TV and movies are a bunch of freaks. It’s not “us.” It’s “them.”

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Excellent point, nashiitashii. Women so rarely want to admit to their weights and when they do, frankly, they’re usually lying. It’s why so many men I’ve known had no idea what reasonable weights for women are. I can remember being a teenager and being shocked at the secret conspiracy there seemed to be. Every last boy who hung out in my group of friends weighed less than every last girl, but not a one of them knew it, because the girls lied.

But, we’re doing ourselves a disservice by creating this mythology around our weights and sizes. It’s not the “male beauty establishment” or anything like that. It’s women hurting other women, the same the world over.

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[QUOTE=SHAKES]
I don’t mind a little meat on my women but that pic in the OP makes Tyra look like a transvestite.
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Well, in the linked article above she does talk about wearing pants…

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[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th]
But when I’m standing around naked at home, I’m like, “Damn… what’s wrong with the world? Who would not want to hit that?” I wish, I truly wish, more women could feel this way, and believe they are beautiful regardless of what some dumbass frat kid or the mass media thinks. I love me, my husband loves me… and in my little universe, those are the only two people whose opinion matters.
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Damn good attitude, olives. I alternate between days like that and days I feel like a cow, but I’m working on it.

What contributes most to the bad days? Not the TV, not the magazines. It’s size labeling in clothing stores. I’m a size 10-12, depending on the cut, and usually fall into size “large” because I’m busty. But there are some stores whose sizing seems to be way off, and I can’t button up a blouse or zip up a pair of pants till I get to a size 14, and even their XLs are a little snug. Then something sort of snaps inside me, because size 14 is supposed to be the start of the “plus sizes”. I start thinking - plus size? They’re telling me I’m a plus size? How’s that possible? Look at me, fercryingoutloud!

I know the number shouldn’t bother me. But the fact that I’m sometimes a 10 and sometimes a 14, in the same day, really messes with my self-esteem. It shouldn’t, but it does. I envy guys, whose shopping consists of reading size labels and picking stuff up without having to try on, because the designers/manufacturers aren’t all working with their own ideas of what “medium” should mean.

I’m hot, dammit. You don’t think so? Well, no sex for you! :stuck_out_tongue: Seems to me, though, that these “no fat chicks” men that nashiitashii mentioned, are definitely in the minority. Sure, men will lust after this or that swimsuit model, but when it comes down to actually gettin’ some, they prefer someone they can hang onto and not worry about snapping in half. The media is screwy, but I don’t think too many real men really subscribe to the underweight-is-sexy view. Unfortunately, it’s easy for a woman to see the attitude of the tabloids and entertainment shows and assume that everyone thinks the same way.

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People have a very hard time looking at someone and determining weight. I have always kicked butt at that"Guess Your Weight" booth because they always guess it really low.

I also read that a lot of models’ stats are faked by the agency, so they actually weigh more than what they agency is saying - how unfair that young girls may be trying to measure up to something that is not inly unhealthy, but not even real.

I am really hoping that this will force a change in the industry. It started a little last year with the tragic deaths of two models whose BMIs were at starvation levels, let’s hope this backlash leads the way for healthy bodies, instead of just skinny.

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I can definitely relate to this. The double-standard between men’s and women’s clothing is nuts. Most men don’t even realize this, but women don’t even get to choose the length of our pant legs. They just decide an arbitrary pant length based on your size. So every time I pull on a pair of jeans, I get to know how tall I’m supposed to be for my waist measurement. That’s how I really knew I was losing weight… when I didn’t have to roll up my pant legs. :rolleyes:

It works on multiple levels, too. I’ve heard plenty of tall women complain about not being able to find their correct size… and don’t get me started on bathing suits and shirts. Finding a bathing suit that will accomodate DD breasts without having the bottom hang off my ass is the bane of my existence… and just forget button-up shirts. Clothing for women is truly made with one woman in mind. I don’t know who she is… but I’m sure she looks great in all those clothes.

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[QUOTE=Antigen]
Damn good attitude, olives. I alternate between days like that and days I feel like a cow, but I’m working on it.

What contributes most to the bad days? Not the TV, not the magazines. It’s size labeling in clothing stores. I’m a size 10-12, depending on the cut, and usually fall into size “large” because I’m busty. But there are some stores whose sizing seems to be way off, and I can’t button up a blouse or zip up a pair of pants till I get to a size 14, and even their XLs are a little snug. Then something sort of snaps inside me, because size 14 is supposed to be the start of the “plus sizes”. I start thinking - plus size? They’re telling me I’m a plus size? How’s that possible? Look at me, fercryingoutloud!

I know the number shouldn’t bother me. But the fact that I’m sometimes a 10 and sometimes a 14, in the same day, really messes with my self-esteem. It shouldn’t, but it does. I envy guys, whose shopping consists of reading size labels and picking stuff up without having to try on, because the designers/manufacturers aren’t all working with their own ideas of what “medium” should mean.

I’m hot, dammit. You don’t think so? Well, no sex for you! :stuck_out_tongue: Seems to me, though, that these “no fat chicks” men that nashiitashii mentioned, are definitely in the minority. Sure, men will lust after this or that swimsuit model, but when it comes down to actually gettin’ some, they prefer someone they can hang onto and not worry about snapping in half. The media is screwy, but I don’t think too many real men really subscribe to the underweight-is-sexy view. Unfortunately, it’s easy for a woman to see the attitude of the tabloids and entertainment shows and assume that everyone thinks the same way.
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I hate shopping for the exact reason mentioned above. I’ll never be a 10 in any range that’s deemed “normal,” and the smallest size I’ve been thus far in my adult life is a size 12. (Somehow I managed to fit into juniors’ size 11 pants at that time, but I think it was when I had slightly less prominent hips.) Right now, I can wear a 14-16, depending on the manufacturer, but find that I am an 18 or a 20 in some clothing lines (well, I would be if they actually sold clothes above a 12/14 size). I don’t shop in many stores because nothing really ever fits properly anymore, as, well, I’m never the body type that clothes are marketed for. (My range of issues are as follows: long torso, long legs, large hips, large bust, wide shoulders, different hip-to-waist ratio, different thigh circumference/waist-hips ratio. In essence, I’m an hourglass figure built on a different scale.) I’m not too fond of what I look like now in the mirror, but that’s mostly because I want to achieve a look closer to, say, a fitness model than a fashion model. (Part of it is that I want to be in shape, but not look super thin and waify. It’s never going to look healthy on me.) I am not completely dissatisfied with my figure, but rather that there are a few areas I’d like to tweak and get more toned.

I don’t often see the “no fat chicks” guys outside of television and radio. It’s exceedingly rare. But to have them dominate certain areas of the media in the same way that those trashy tabloid commentors do, it’s a bit disheartening because of the message they’re putting forth.

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[QUOTE=Anaamika]
I wasn’t going to post, since I have very little opinion, but I must know what a Waddle is!
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Ducks waddle.

I remember a little saying, can’t remember where I heard it and I doubt if they were talking about ducks. I think of it every time I hear the word waddle.

“Widdle waddle through the grass, two little legs holding up a big fat ass.”

Doesn’t apply to Trya though, I think she looks great.

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[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th]

It works on multiple levels, too. I’ve heard plenty of tall women complain about not being able to find their correct size… and don’t get me started on bathing suits and shirts. Finding a bathing suit that will accomodate DD breasts without having the bottom hang off my ass is the bane of my existence… and just forget button-up shirts. Clothing for women is truly made with one woman in mind. I don’t know who she is… but I’m sure she looks great in all those clothes.
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I wear a D, and find that it’s easier to buy bathing suits designed for racing in order to get a one-piece that’ll accomodate the length of my torso properly while still giving my chest some breathing room. However, I’m not exactly thin, so my worries tend toward finding a suit that won’t make me look like a stuffed sausage rather than whether it’s going to be too loose in some areas.

I buy up a size or two in button-down shirts, and that mostly fixes my problems. Then again, I have to buy up a size or two to accomodate both large shoulders and a large bust, so it just ends up looking baggy in the midsection between the bust and the hips.

That one woman they had in mind probably doesn’t exist outside of the runway. In fact, from what I’ve heard, they take one model who fits their clothing “standard” and then size up and down on that scale based on this one woman’s figure. This would explain why pants in your size are often too long, and why a good deal of the time, when I go up a size or two, my pants legs become these giant billowing monsters of doom. (I could wear a size or two too small to fit the legs, but then the non-leg area would either not zip up or would be noticeably tight. Bad deal either way.)