I Pit My Sperm

I hope the OP and his wife can move to joy a lot faster than I did with #4! I wasn’t really resigned to being pregnant with her (and she was an oops baby too - who the heck expects to get pregnant the day before her period is due when she’s been regular as clockwork for the past 18 months?) until I was about 18 or 20 weeks along (wheras it only took 15 weeks with my twins). And than at 24 weeks I got put in the hospital at a routine checkup and was there for the next 8 weeks, and home in bed another 3 after that. Oh yeah, I know all about oops babies.

I love my daughter. I called her some pretty vile names before she was born, the mildest of which was ‘vermin’ and ‘parasite’, but I laid in my hospital bed like a good girl and I did what was necessary to keep her healthy. I showed her love even when I couldn’t feel any love. I wouldn’t trade her for the world, now, of course. Not for a million quatloos. By the time she was 6 months old, she had more than made up in joy and laughter what she had cost me in tears and anger and bedrest. She’d paid her debt to society!

But it was hard. It was a hard adjustment. And yes, after this, I went and got myself fixed. No more oopses, please. We have a 3 bedroom house, and 4 children, and it’s going to be crowded enough. I fee sorry for those who are trying desperately to conceive, and cannot, but that doesn’t mean my situation, or the OP’s situation, seemed wonderful at first realisation.

Hey Sperm Guy,
I see you said “…I shaved this morning”. Does that mean you finally did the Vascectomy? If not, time to ‘Cowboy Up’ and take care of it, or you might be count’em to Four!! Just an FYI on the ‘shav’en the sack’…start at your ankle!!
Good Luck

Wow!

Congrats.

Our little girl was conceived out of my own and phyreg0ddesses own stupidity… but we love her more than anything. I sometimes feel she is the reason I dug myself out of the crappy little life I was building, and moved onto something better.

I always knew condoms weren’t 100% effective, but all of this is very shocking… seems as if abstinence is the only truly perfect method (hehehe - except for one story I heard :smiley: 'nother time)

I remember when my phyreg0ddess told me something was up, it took me 3 months to go buy the home test, but the moment she told me the result is permanently burned in my mind… for the sheer beauty of the moment as well as the enormous range of congflicting emotions that were running through my mind…

I cannot even consider a second child, the thought of a third would probably send me into a coma.

Wow! You have my deepest respect, becuase I have some idea now, 17 months down the line, how difficult it is to raise a child… financially and emotionally.

I think some of the people who are yelling about your reaction aren’t actually considering the strain taken in raising 3 kids. At least some precaution was taken to try and avoid what for some would be potentially dangerous occurence.

I hope (s)he brings you just as much joy as the first two, and, uhm, once the snip has occured, let us know about it… I’d like to hear about it for future reference scurries off to search while he can

a rambling poitnless post, I know, but I got the guest status because of this thread, so I’m gonna take advantage of it :smiley:

[QUOTE=Kings_Gambit1]
I guess you guys didn’t read my OP. It’s more than just a condom.

The situation is this: Condom + Day 9 + Emergency Contraception = Pregnancy!!

So, we have the barrier method (male condom) used (98% effectiveness if used according to instructions, which it was).

We have intercourse performed during a non-fertile time (Natural Family Planning method). Ovulation occurs around 12 to 16 days before the start of the next period. This was Day 9! DAY. FUCKING. 9!!

We have an Emergency Hormonal Contraception (EHC) pill taken less than 24 hours after intercourse (drops 8% chance to 2% chance).

KG:
This post is for everyone else out there with this situation. If you can’t figure out the time line then maybe…just maybe a DNA test is on the Horizon’en. I heard about this girl gett’en fertilized in a swiming pool. Might of been a wifes tail but any hoot. What do I know…DNA…baby…DNA knows!!

“It’s horseshit, Dave.”

You should really check snopes when you hear bullshit like that.

[QUOTE=tinman]

Okay, before anybody gets the wrong idea, if you want to use NFP you have to pay more attention to the woman’s fertility signals than just dates. As I can attest personally!

Sperm can live for up to 5 days (and tend to result in girl babies when fertilization occurs so long after insemination because X sperm tend to greater longevity). So hello, day 9 isn’t enough of a buffer, particularly if ovulation occurs within the 12-14 day range from day 1 in the cycle.

Now, let me tell you how I conceived my last daughter, because it’s a classic case of me reading my signals wrong. If you’re easily grossed out, don’t read after this because it’s going to be TMI.

We were using condoms from day 2 following ovulation (which I can feel, as it’s very painful) until my period was over. I was checking cervical mucus for ‘fertile’ mucus (which is more watery, clear and stringy than at other times of the month) …until on day 14, when I ought to have ovulated, I had a tremendous abdominal pain that put me in bed for an hour. This was a ruptured ovarian cyst. I’ve had them many times in my life. However, I thought it must have been ovulation, just more painful than usual. I did notice that my CM did not turn to ‘non-fertile’ after that, but the day before my period was due, when we went to have sex, he said “Is it safe to be bare-nekkid?” and I said “I think so.”

Well, my period didn’t come. The reason it didn’t come is because the ovarian cyst had thrown my cycle off by 2 weeks, but I miscalculated, thinking the ruptured cyst was ovulation itself. So 2 weeks later, when by all rights I should have been safe, I was most fertile. If I had been charting my temperature, or paying attention to CM (I had noticed it still seemed fertile, but dismissed this because of the event on day 14) I would have realised we were not at all ‘safe’. So my period didn’t come. When it was a week late, I took a pregnancy test, but it was negative. Pregnancy tests don’t come positive on 7 DPO. Half a week later, however, I got a faintly positive test on what must have been the earliest possible day (10 DPO).

Dates alone don’t tell you enough. 9 days into the cycle is not necessarily safe. Heck, knowing what I know, I would never give myself less than a week’s buffer for ‘bare nekkid’ sex before ovulation is expected, because those damned little sperm are persistant. And I would use CM and basal body temperature to verify fertility or lack therof.

What I think happened to the OP (as to me) is a failure to understand NFP and fertility signals. Day 9 did not give an adequate buffer; then, some sperm escaped, the day-after pill didn’t work because (I presume) its effect is immediate, and would not be adequate if fertilisation occurred 5 days later. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong about that, I’ve never dealt directly with the Day-After pill myself.

I am a little curious, is this becoming a trend, to use the Day-After pill as part of routine contraception? Since it is after all an abortifacient (at the very earliest stages), at what points in the cycle are people using this hormonal treatment - or is it just after every instance of sex?

Okay, I have to correct myself here:

We were using condoms at all points from end-of-period, up until 2 days after ovulation had occurred, as the egg only lives 24 hours. Then we ought to have been safe for those 14 days remaining in the cycle. And had been every other month, which were normal cycles.

Sorry for miswriting that before.

It does not cause abortion. It prevents implantation.

I took my morning after pill on Monday morning, after an accident Saturday night. It didn’t work.

Without getting into a debate about the morals of abortion, WHICH I AM NOT DOING, I must argue that any ‘birth control’ that fails to prevent conception, is not a contraceptive. It is an abortifacient. If there is another word for a mechanism that prevents implantation - implanticeptive? I will be happy to use it instead. As of this moment, I can only say that the morning after pill is NOT a contraceptive. It does not prevent conception. It prevents implantation. It is birth control (when it works) as there will be no birth.

You could say the same about regular birth control pills, but if you aren’t making a moral distinction, I don’t see the point. The “morning after pill” contains the very same hormones found in regular birth control, in different amounts, and it works by the same method. They can both either prevent an egg from being released, or prevent a fertilized egg from implanting, depending on time and chance.

Giving up a child is HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE deal. Obviously these people love children and enjoy being parents, so hacking the little fella out isn’t gonna be some easy decision, nor would handing over the tyke upon delivery. Also, how do you explain that to the kids you already have? You don’t seem to understand what having kids is like at all. I can totally understand how someone could be serious about not wanting more kids, and yet accept them if/when they became pregnant anyway. The alternatives are very, very difficult decisions and sometimes the decision to alter your plans for your life (care for more babies) is the better/easier/more natural/whatever decision.

m-e-n-s-t-r-u-a-t-i-o-n
Not that hard, people. :wink:

“Your mother and I decided we didn’t want to have any more children.”

Well, if the only way to gain that understanding is through first hand experience, then hopefully I never will understand.

  1. You’re either being intentionally obtuse or else very naive if you think that is the end of the psychological rammifications to the family. Explaining to your kids why you killed or gave away their sibling is a much bigger deal and more than a one-time throw-away comment.

  2. It definitely is something that you can’t fully understand until you’ve done it. You seem to be much, much farther from understanding than most, however.

This is true. But when I said day 9 may in fact be a danger time (as clearly it was for the OP), I was counting from the first day of mensruation, not from the first day it’s over. Some women have short luteal phases, some have long. If you go by the calendar only, you’re going to see a certain percentage of pregnancies sheerly based on the fact that all women are not the same, and the lifespan of sperm. Some ovulate on day 14 like clockwork (and menstruate 14 days later, for a 28 day cycle), some ovulate on day 21 (and menstruate 14 days later). Some go longer. Some shorter. The dates are irrelevant. Really. What’s important is knowing what’s going on inside the woman’s body, and it will usually give very good clues in the form of ‘fertile’ mucus, a raise in basal body temperature, general horniness, etc.

“Killed?” Are you referring to abortion? Well I guess you’re friends with a murderer then! :dubious: And a murderer who has no remorse whatsoever! (One of the smartest decisions I ever made, btw.) I’m not ashamed; well, only ashamed that I was stupid enough to get knocked up in the first place! Duh! :smack:

What strikes me as interesting is how many people here seem to have had an “oops” pregnancy…by that I mean that they were using contraception and they got pregnant anyway. It seems that maybe the failure rates are actually much higher that we are led to believe from the statistics? Seems to be from reading this thread. :confused:

But all I’m sayin’ is from what I have learned, especially in this thread, is that 1) condoms aren’t enough; 2) the “natural planning method” isn’t reliable; 3) neither is the morning after pill and 4) all of the above combined are not reliable either. So knowing this, I guess there can’t really be any “oops” pregnancies, now can there? Boy, this board does go a long way towards defeating ignorance!

P.S. Why do people even still rely on the “natural family method” anymore anyway? This is something people used before there was modern birth control. That’s about as smart as using the “withdrawal” method, which is what got me in trouble, back when I was a silly naive young thing.

No doubt. There are a lot of tough things that parents have to explain to their kids; the world is a complicated place. That doesn’t mean parents should avoid doing anything that’ll take effort to explain, though.

And seriously, which is harder: explaining to your existing kids why you aborted or gave up for adoption another child, or actually raising that other child for the next 18 years? I may not be a parent, but I know the answer to that question.

I don’t even know why people are still discussing this as a viable method. If you haven’t learned that this is not effective by the OP and a few other posts, then you should be paying better attention! The viscosity of your mucus and the level of your horniess seem like very unreliable clues if you’re really serious about not getting pregnant. It’s really going to be hard to know “what’s going on inside the woman’s body” unless you’re a doctor. This seems like a very antiquated method.

:confused: WTF Brooke! Who said anything about “murder”?? I know you had an abortion, and you had I have discussed that before. YOU KNOW that I am pro-choice! That doesn’t change the fact that you’re killing the fetus, though. I never made a judgement call on whether that is the right or wrong thing to do, only that it is a difficult decision to make, and a difficult one to explain to your existing kids.

:smack: I’m leaning toward intentionally obtuse at this point. :rolleyes:

Who ever said that the only reason was the explaining to your kids thing? That’s just PART of it. A small part, actually.

There are plenty of people who get pregnant with an unwanted 2nd, 3rd, 9th baby and do abort or put it up for adoption. Nobody is saying that this doesn’t or shouldn’t happen. HOWEVER there are also those who find that it is easier to raise the child than live with those decisions. They realize that they will love the child, even if it is taking thier life in a direction they weren’t really planning on, and in weighing the consequences of all of the outcomes they decide that keeping the child is the one that works for them.

I know that I could never put a child up for adoption. By the time I carried a baby to term I would have gotten far, far too attached to him or her. I know that I don’t have it in me to live the rest of my life knowing that I have a kid out there somewhere. That’s just me. I also don’t think I could ever personally go through with an abortion, though I think they’re an option for other people. (Keep in mind I am also a vegetarian and I carry bugs out of the house rather than killing them.)

And so even if I had decided that my childbearing days were over, were I to find myself pregnant I would go ahead and change my plans and follow the new path my life had dealt me. Does that mean that I wasn’t sincere in my desire to not have any more children? No. It only means that my desire to not have any more children wasn’t some sort of all-or-nothing be-all-end-all only-thing-that-matters decision and that I was capable of being flexible.

I’m honestly astounded that these concepts are so difficult for you to grasp.

Well, I assumed you had a reason for bringing it up.

It means that your desire not to have any more children was less important to you than your desire not to abort or give up the child for adoption, just as the OP’s desire not to have any more children was less important to him (and his partner) than their other desires.

At some point, you have to draw a line and say “OK, if not having any more children is less important to you than this, then you aren’t serious about not having any more children”, unless you think that giving lip service to a concern is the same as honestly believing in it. If someone thinks the convenience of not using contraception is more important than his desire not to have kids, don’t you think he’s, er, less than serious about not having any more kids? It’s just a question of where exactly you draw the line.

I’m astounded that such a highly regarded poster would confuse “grasping these concepts” with “agreeing with this position”.