But… I can still {{{huggles}}} all over her, right?
I wouldn’t if I were you - she’d, like, bite you or something.
I have had my meal of crow, it went down “umkay”
I appreciate the Dopers who saw through the sham “umkay”
This thread is almost as long as the ask thread “umkay”
This thread is now a heaping pile of troll food “umkay”
We should close this and move on “umkay”
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So should we keep an eye out on Reddit for someone starting a IAmA thread about being a quadriplegic?
Seems clear enough to me. I claimed you were lying about something I said. I included a quote box with one assertion you made about what I said. How many ways are there to choose one assertion from a group of one? Can you count to one, or is that too high for you?
It’s as if there were one piece of candy in a jar. “Could you hand me that piece of candy from the jar?” “Which piece? I have no idea which piece you mean. You could be talking about any piece.” That’s been our dialogue.
Instead, you went back to a completely different post. I’m still scratching my head about that. Like I said, looking everywhere but on your bed for the pillow.
Anyhow, as I said earlier, I have to question whether you can manage concepts like truth and falsehood. You’re having enough trouble with ‘one.’

…I remember being suckered by that guy who claimed to be a budding transsexual that looked like Boomer from BSG (what was his name again?).
That was Kaitlyn, and the thread is here:
Bull and shit, Arwin. - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board . I remember because my husband, Arwin, was drawn into it. That was my first experience with a troll. Kaitlyn even came out at the end and made an apology for lying about him/herself. here is the trhead by the mods about Kaitlyns banning. User Kaitlyn has been banned - About This Message Board - Straight Dope Message Board

Hi. My name is Nzinga, Standing. I have some bad news about my sister.
For the win!! Out of the entire umkerfuffle this the funniest thing I’ve read.
Nzinga, I have to admit I am crushing a bit on you. Can you please start an “ask the girl in a seat” thread?? I mean, I have so many questions - how did you end up in a seat? Is it just one seat? Or do you have a different one for the beach? And of course sexytimes - I mean, does the seat recline and shit?
Oh Nzinga tell us everything!

Seems clear enough to me. I claimed you were lying about something I said. I included a quote box with one assertion you made about what I said. How many ways are there to choose one assertion from a group of one? Can you count to one, or is that too high for you?
It’s as if there were one piece of candy in a jar. “Could you hand me that piece of candy from the jar?” “Which piece? I have no idea which piece you mean. You could be talking about any piece.” That’s been our dialogue.
Instead, you went back to a completely different post. I’m still scratching my head about that. Like I said, looking everywhere but on your bed for the pillow.
Anyhow, as I said earlier, I have to question whether you can manage concepts like truth and falsehood. You’re having enough trouble with ‘one.’
And I keep challenging you to provide a post number to this supposed quote where I’m supposedly lying. And instead of typing out those three digits, you persist in playing this elaborate game of verbally describing (only imprecisely) of “I did this, and I provided that and you’re so dumb you can’t follow my arcane description…” How about those three digits? Otherwise, the assumption will be that you’re trying to send me on a wild-goose chase that’s far more arduous for you than for me.

And I keep challenging you to provide a post number to this supposed quote where I’m supposedly lying. And instead of typing out those three digits, you persist in playing this elaborate game of verbally describing (only imprecisely) of “I did this, and I provided that and you’re so dumb you can’t follow my arcane description…” How about those three digits? Otherwise, the assumption will be that you’re trying to send me on a wild-goose chase that’s far more arduous for you than for me.
Dude, let it go. Seriously.
You’re an adult - an English prof/scholar, right? Is this how you really want to be viewed? Even on a silly message board?
Or at least start another thread so we can enjoy / mourn umkay’s departure in peace. It’s a tragic loss, you know?

I mean, what do any of us really know about the boards population but what it typed.
I care very much about this board and its posters which is why I have taken it upon myself to learn as much as I can about the posters, Mr. “I eat bananas while showering”.

And I keep challenging you to provide a post number to this supposed quote where I’m supposedly lying.
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How about those three digits? Otherwise, the assumption will be that you’re trying to send me on a wild-goose chase that’s far more arduous for you than for me.
You’re making Forrest Gump look like a genius by comparison.
You see the quote box in post 845, the one you’re replying to here?
See your name in the quote box, next to the words “Originally Posted by”?
See the little blue box to the right of your name, with an arrowish thing in it?
Ever wondered what would happen if you clicked on it?
If you need the post number, and the quote itself won’t do, maybe you ought to try.
Speaking of the fact that I’ve provided the quote, I can’t help but notice you’ve referred to it as a “supposed quote.” Do you really believe I’m misquoting you in a quote box?
The moderators take misrepresentation of a quote within a quote box VERY seriously. (I’m with them 100% on this, fwiw.) If you think that’s just a ‘supposed’ quote in the quote box with your name on it, you should click on the little red triangle with the exclamation point in it, just to see what IT does, and address your concerns to the forum mods by that means.
And instead of typing out those three digits, you persist in playing this elaborate game of verbally describing (only imprecisely) of “I did this, and I provided that and you’re so dumb you can’t follow my arcane description…”
In post 845, I’ve re-quoted it in its (quite simple and straightforward) entirety. I don’t see how I can get much clearer than that. It’s like having a conversation with a lump of concrete.
Anyway, enough of this. I’ve got better things to do than try to explain to someone over the Internet how to find his ass with both hands.

Anyway, enough of this. I’ve got better things to do than try to explain to someone over the Internet how to find his ass with both hands.
Good. Time to get past the hijack, please. Oy.

Ah hmm.
Jamie, you can keep it real with me. I won’t tell anybody. You thought she was a phony all along, didn’t you? I know you were all up in this thread like, “O, but WHY would anyone do that?” but your responses to her devotee and “Ask the miracle quad” threads can best be described as “:dubious:”. I was reading those and thinking, “He thinks she’s full of shit.”
Yes. But I was extremely wary and hesitant to voice any sort of doubt because of the fact that I am disabled and use a wheelchair as well and my time at the Dope has been, um, not quite as rosy as Umkay’s and I thought my skepticism might be interpreted-or at least treated-as nothing more than sour grapes. But I was rolling my fuckin’ eyes and grindin’ my fuckin’ teeth like nobody’s business for the entire Umkay episode.

It’s from one of the posts immediatey before: “Fuck that shit - I’m not letting it keep me down!”
Egad - my phrase has become an acronym! (I was the one who first used the phrase, in the original thread, umyoo is the one who acronymized it I think).
And, do you all know whether or not I really AM Mrs. Zappa? My son Frank will be in shortly to announce my death.
Wow. You skip over a thread here and there and you miss a lot…

Yes. But I was extremely wary and hesitant to voice any sort of doubt because of the fact that I am disabled and use a wheelchair as well and my time at the Dope has been, um, not quite as rosy as Umkay’s and I thought my skepticism might be interpreted-or at least treated-as nothing more than sour grapes. But I was rolling my fuckin’ eyes and grindin’ my fuckin’ teeth like nobody’s business for the entire Umkay episode.
I am interested, though, in what fallacies or points during her pretending were inaccurate. There was (what seemed to be) a lot of good information posted in her thread, and for someone who doesn’t know anyone IRL who is paralyzed, I’d be interested in knowing if there was anything (aside from her persona) that was false or misleading. If anything big sticks out, would you mind sharing? At least that way, we can take some good out of this shitstorm.

Egad - my phrase has become an acronym! (I was the one who first used the phrase, in the original thread, umyoo is the one who acronymized it I think).
And, do you all know whether or not I really AM Mrs. Zappa? My son Frank will be in shortly to announce my death.
That’d be a little difficult, I’m afraid.

I don’t think this person was really a troll; not in the typical sense. This was a “pretender” from the DPW spectrum (devotees, pretenders and wannabees). This is someone who wants, so very badly, to be a quadriplegic that it becomes their life. Now in order to be a good “pretender”, a person must become familiar with everything conceivable about the day-to-day goings-on related to the particular disability they are faking. Even down to the most mundane, miniscule detail. It is in this sense that a pretender can actually be more knowledgeable about the specific information about their disabilities than even some real disabled people. They’ve actually sought the info out and studied in, consumed it, and have to keep it constantly in the forefront.
I wonder what this person, sez-kay, is like in real life. I wonder how extensively the pretending carries over. Does (s)he (I actually do think this is a woman) use a wheelchair? Pretending to be quadriplegic would seem to be mighty difficult in real life, most pretenders that I’ve read about have been paraplegic pretenders. But the internet gives limitless pretend possibilities; as evidenced by her multiple hoaxes on multiple boards. I’m sure there’s more.
But at the core, with all the DPW (yes, even devotees), of course is an illness. These pretenders really do feel happiness when they live as disabled. They feel as though it is the way they are meant to live. Wannabees actually take this a step further and mutilate their bodies in order to permanently disable themselves. So I don’t think “hate” is the right thing to feel here; not at all. Perhaps empathy and a little pity; these people are suffering through some fucked up psychological trauma of some sort and I can only think they hurt.
I didn’t follow that thread close enough to judge whether she seemed fake or not, but I actually know of someone who is like her but with blindness. He even goes out in public and lives as a blind man, and will keep his eyes covered in his home so that he isn’t using his natural sight to navigate around the house. It’s not hysterical blindness, but a deep desire to be blind, that has manifested in him trying to live as a blind man as much as possible.
I don’t know what the psychiatric diagnosis is, but yeah, he’s definitely mentally ill.

I am interested, though, in what fallacies or points during her pretending were inaccurate. There was (what seemed to be) a lot of good information posted in her thread, and for someone who doesn’t know anyone IRL who is paralyzed, I’d be interested in knowing if there was anything (aside from her persona) that was false or misleading. If anything big sticks out, would you mind sharing? At least that way, we can take some good out of this shitstorm.
Well as I said, pretenders are extremely knowledgeable and well-versed in the information and details about “their” disability. It wasn’t so much anything about her conveyance of info that was dubious, rather it was a collection of small little idiosyncracies, little weird inconsistencies or the details of her actual life that didn’t sit right.
Things such as her blaming her “true loves” not working out due to the fact that they couldn’t picture themselves being with a quad in a wheelchair. If two people are “in love” then the extent of a person’s disability is truly irrelevant.
Or being extremely vague about any potential identifying features in her life (no matter how obscure). The fact that a extremely gregarious, extroverted 20-something woman who allegedly has a career based on the internet who also has NO facebook account is HIGHLY suspiscious.
And what might the circumstances be that would lead to one-night stands for a C4 quad who has all the issues she does?
There are more but these are what jump out right off the bat.