You’re absolutely wrong about that cause and effect. I explained why over here. You ignored it. Politicians have always lied. The media hasn’t always been this incompetent and ratings-obsessed, and been so ideologically divided and unethical and prone, on the right, to actively promote lies themselves. These are not the media of Woodward and Bernstein. Even the Washington Post is now run by a nutbar who isn’t fit to run anything better than a tabloid rag.
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Why are you thinking I’m a Trumper? I’m not sure how that conclusion could be made from my posts.
I am trying to explain to this board the young Black American mindset as best I can from a gen-x perspective. I’m considered a boomer to them.
Well, I kind of agree, the media should be calling out all of Trumps lies. But are we denying that people are more prone believing these lies now since huge events like 911 were not called out on their lies?
When everyone knew we were being lied to?
It kind of sounded condescending to me like I don’t understand that politicians lie and I’m defending myself in this pit thread.
But they were called out on them. And correlation is not causation.
The reason people believe these lies now has a lot more to do with forty years of right-wing propaganda (with Rush Limbaugh being the Founding Father of Bullshit) than one specific example of one government official lying. A generation has been gaslit into believing absurdities, which is why they now are so willing to commit atrocities.
I kind of agree, but Limbaugh didn’t really rise until after 911 and the hate that was associated with that. He kind of fed into to that lie and hate.
I first heard of PNAC on a liberal AM station back then, right after 911.
That is a very incorrect statement. Limbaugh rose in influence before the Contract with America, by 1993 he was already very influential and really assisted the shift to the right in the Republican Party and inspired Fox News.
Yep.
“America Held Hostage”, “White House Dog”, and “Wicked Witch of the West Wing” (who always left the toilet seat up) pre-date 9/11.
Memetically I’d say he even peaked before 9/11. As in, had a deeper penetration into pop culture. He even had a TV show for awhile. And it seemed like half of America listened to him whether they agreed with him or not.
Some time before 2008, others started to steal his thunder and he became just another crazy-talking guy in a sea of them.
The rabid wolf isn’t going to be friendly just because you gave it a pat on the head.
If you’d didn’t know Limbaugh was huge in the 90s (and influential even in the 80s), then you really need to study before you offer any sweeping political opinions as anything more than a wild guess.
The pittee has flown below my ignoramus radar until now. Holy shit!
If they can stop laughing long enough.
What you don’t grasp is you’re far beyond an idiot in the opposite direction you believe.
This is one of those “ignorance is bliss” cases.
He was known by mostly political wonks in the 90’s. They definitely used his message and methods, so I agree he was inline with right wing think tanks and helping to lay the foundation since the early '90’s. But he wasn’t huge with the general population until after 9/11, there is a difference. He started growing a bigger following attacking Bush after 9/11.
He got huge from attacking Obama, starting with Obama announcing his run for president. That’s when he drew the general population in and got huge.
All that was based off hate which I said, mostly anti-Muslim hate because of 9/11. Thats why Limbaugh started calling him Barack Hussein Obama to sow fear in people that he was a secrete Muslim. Surely you must remember all this
If you think I’m an idiot on this take then so be it.
We do. Because as already explained, the belief in obvious lies amongst the right-wing is not due to the rise of Trump but rather the other way around. And neither had anything to do with 9/11 specifically.
If only there was a Wikipedia page that clearly shows that you know nothing…
His national program debuted on 50 stations the next month on August 1, and by three months later had expanded to 100 stations.
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By 1990, Limbaugh had been on his Rush to Excellence Tour, a series of personal appearances in cities nationwide, for two years. For the 45 shows he completed that year alone, he was estimated to make around $360,000.In December 1990, journalist Lewis Grossberger wrote in The New York Times Magazine that Limbaugh had “more listeners than any other talk show host”
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By the 1992 United States presidential election, Limbaugh had established himself as an influential political commentator.
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Limbaugh had a syndicated half-hour television show from 1992 through 1996, produced by Roger Ailes.
Rush Limbaugh - Wikipedia
Of course that all of this happened before September 11 2001 is not clear evidence that split_p_j doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about, it’s evidence that Rush had access to time travel tech.
Limbaugh was big in the 80s and HUGE in the 90s. I remember this very distinctly just from listening to radio, seeing billboards, and watching TV in the 80s and 90s. By the mid-90s he was EVERYWHERE.
He was known, I’ve already submitted that. He wasn’t huge until the 400 million Clear Channel contract in 2008.
Limbaugh and Clear Channel signed an eight-year, $400 million contract extension on July 2, 2008.[42] He signed a new contract for four additional years in a deal announced August 2, 2016, after Limbaugh publicly contemplated retirement. Limbaugh is believed to have taken a pay cut to remain on the air after advertisers pulled funding in response to boycotts around his criticism of Sandra Fluke and industry-wide advertising declines.[43] Limbaugh renewed his agreement with Premiere through 2024 in a deal announced January 5, 2020.[44]
Tell me? Is moving goalposts more of an upper or lower body workout?