The record is pretty fucking bad.
Because they know they can get away with it?
Not warrants, but it can cause it.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Every one of police officers standing behind Trump was laughing and applauding. Were they hand picked Trump supporters, or do they represent the cross section of police? I do note they were all white.
You’d think you would be really pissed off about this. This guy is recommending that the cops break the law.
Why should I be? Trump is an idiot who knows nothing about law enforcement. Do you really think the cops are going to be influenced by what President Cheeto says, especially when he’s telling them to break the law?
Yes. The influence is small, perhaps, but it’s there.
I think you’re missing the point
If I told a bunch of 12 year-olds to get naked and start wrestling, it would say something about me, even if the 12 year-olds were smart enough to ignore me.
Perhaps some cops were be emboldened by it, but probably not. Good cops will continue to be good cops, and bad cops will continue to do what they do.
This fiasco simply further reveals how deplorable our POTUS is. Yes, I know, we need no reminders. But they’re coming daily (at least). I hope we never get so jaded that our President advocating police misconduct will be shrugged off.
The president encourages police brutality, the police officers there laugh and cheer, and large numbers of the public leap to defend the president and police. There’s an effect.
The idea that there’s something wrong with supporting the police in general is fucking insane. It’s the existence of laws, and those that enforce them, that allow all of us to live comfortable lives.
Without them, we’d at best be living at the whim of a local strongman, and at worst in a situation of pure anarchy, surviving exactly as long as we could defend ourselves.
That’s not to say there aren’t problems with the police and the justice system as a whole, but to say you don’t support them is, well, fucking insane. They are, for the most part not your enemies - they are, again for the most part, the ones risking their lives to protect you from those who would harm you.
However, no matter how much it’s insane to not support them, it’s the existence of a well managed justice system that lets you criticise them (fairly or otherwise) with impunity. Go back in time to an effectively ungoverned state (or even go to one of the effectively ungoverned places that exist now) and see how well you do complaining about the local warlord’s enforcers. It’s so different - even for minorities - now that it would be unrecognisable.
Try hard, you may find it’s actually possible to criticise them when they’re wrong, and support them when they’re not. It would require an amount of nuanced critical thinking, but as one of the smartest, hippest people on the internet I’m sure you can manage that.
And yet, NO ONE is saying that we don’t need police. That’s a straw man you’re throwing out so you can insult it and beat it up.
Your conflating of criticism of the police with criticism of the very concept of police is a fairly authoritarian reaction. And your claim about police being the source of all order and justice is just historically wrong. I don’t think it’s fair to describe antebellum America as anarchical hellscape you seem to think it was.
Got those cites for your claims in post #130 yet?
It’s those who enforce them, and interpret them, and defend them, and challenge them, and write them, and everything with them. Every player is playing a vital role. A public defender’s role is just as vital as a cop’s. Just as an ambassador’s role is just as vital as a soldier’s. But we don’t see the same respect (that can border on adulation) for the people who aren’t carrying guns.
I support the enforcement of the law within the law. I don’t personalize it beyond that.
No, you just say they shouldn’t be supported, shouldn’t be respected, and their job should be made as difficult as possible, and you don’t give a fuck about the consequences of that, because you are protected by them and fail to see it.
Funny, looks to me like saying the bad apples and only the bad apples along with those who cover for said bad apples shouldn’t be supported or respected.
I agree with that, they are all important. I’m not sure if it’s been on this board, but I’ve seen equally foolish criticism of lawyers and judges, and spoken against that as well.
But, just as the police get more adulation, they get more criticism - or at least, more vociferous and thoughtless criticism - than the other parts of the system.
Well, I’m not saying people should go up to cops and thank them for their service or anything like that, there’s obvious problems with that. But people are doing the opposite - there have been “protests” by Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, and whoever’s been protesting against the G20 which seem to be nothing more than an excuse to fight the police, and yet many people here defend those groups and only weakly, if at all condemn the violence.
For any police officer on the end of that, it is obviously personal - they have been attacked by the people they are trying to protect. Whilst we can all agree that they shouldn’t let it affect them when doing their job, there’s few people out there that could reach that standard.
Just as Trump’s speech was wrong for advocating unacceptable actions by the police despite his not having actually taken part in any violence, supporting those who organise violence against the police is wrong, and for the same reasons.
Or anyone he thinks might be a bad apple, despite the investigations into the issue showing that they are actually fine, because obviously all coppers are bastards.
Anyone who considers a “police supporter” to be a bad thing should be ridiculed.
Than judges and lawyers? Than politicians?
I don’t see what you see.
I don’t remember the last time I saw mobs violently calling for lawyers or judges to be locked up, or worse. This is happening so often with the police that it’s hardly newsworthy any more.