Well, I think the market and the price of gold had already bombed before the attacks in Boston, for one. And, considering there were two devices, there is at least a similarity to Al Qaeda. But OTOH this doesn’t seem extraordinary enough for an international terror group. If they can afford to strike from the other side of the globe, they can figure out high-quality bombs.
Thing is, I can sort of sympathize with some terrorist actions, especially if you’re an occupied country or can legitimately perceive yourself as under an actual oppressive regime. If you don’t have an actual army and have no hope of defeating a huge superior force, then terrorism/guerilla warfare might be the only way to go.
The Vietcong did it, and regardless of who was right there, I can understand why they fought the way they did. I can even understand why people in Iraq may plant IEDs to kill random American soldiers and Iraqis - I think it’s wrong both tactically and morally, but that kind of anger at an invading force and their collaborators is understandable and I can empathize a bit.
But bombing a peaceful indiviual sporting event full of civilians and athletes? What possible goals could that help accomplish? How were those targets remotely related to their ire?
If you have a fucking grievance, then address the source of that grievance, not random innocents. At least make a fucking effort and target the politicians who did the thing you don’t like, or the army that committed the airstrike, or whatever your issue is. It’d still almost certainly be an evil action, but at least it’d be somewhat relatable as a human impulse.
Terrorism and guerrilla are two different things - guerrilla tactics are “hit and run” (or, occasionally, “run to a helluva position, wait until the enemy comes, drop half a mountain on them, run again”), not “sneak in, plant a bomb, sneak out, send a note saying the deaths are the fault of the fascist opressors”.
And I’m with you there
But this, not so much.
Collateral Murder
Fallujah
Have we answered for those and all the others? Are we better?
Drones?
yeah, read that again and think about it in a different context.
and this. Substitute the government and military of an entire country for ‘terrorist’ and read it again.
I can’t think of anyone lower than that either. But I don’t see how you can differentiate between this kind of terrorism and that which we have visited upon a disgustingly long list of brown people in other parts of the world. For a very long time.
Me?, I don’t condone either one; neither the ‘official’ nor the unofficial terrorism.
But I can’t for the life of me see any difference and couldn’t just let your post stand unchallenged. Sorry.
The bombing is turning out to be quite the Rorschach test for some people. Right now we don’t know who did this. It might be foreigners or US citizens. It might be one person, or it might be a group. It might be Al Qaeda or it might be a random lunatic.
But as that link shows, some people hate Muslims so much that they rush to blame and judge them.
Here on the SDMB many people hate the Tea Party so much they rush to blame and judge them.
It’s too bad. It really sucks that people can be so partisan as to be blinded by it. The lack of self awareness is just astonishing.
Yes, speculating that it might be right wing terrorism at work because it happened on Patriot’s day and tax day and in Boston famous for the tea party is totally the same thing as wanting to eradicate all Muslims.
Forget about the eradicating them all part being his desired outcome. It’s more important that because he wants them all eradicated he can’t imagine that anyone else could have been responsible. Just like many posters here hate the Tea Party so much they can’t imagine anyone else being responsible.
Do you honestly not see this?
They better hope none of the funerals are in Southie.
Who are we talking about? I haven’t read every post, but most of the posts are more like “Hmm, in Boston on tax day, sounds like it might be tea party thing”, not “I KNOW 100% IT IS RIGHT WING KOOKS”
It’s pretty reasonable circumstantially to speculate in that direction.
These are all just from the first two pages of the MPSIMS thread and were all before 5PM yesterday.
Then, of course, you have the OP of this very thread:
This isn’t thoughtful speculation as to the identity of the attacker. This is just knee jerk reactions by people who can’t see past their own hatred of right wingers.
Generally speaking I don’t like the ideas that Liberals have about running the country because I don’t think they’re good for the country. But I can’t imagine hating them so much that in response to this attack I automatically shout “It must be them! You want proof? Bill Ayers!”
That would be just sick.
If an abortion clinic were bombed, your first suspect would be a religious anti-abortion nutjob. Now the circumstantial evidence around this isn’t nearly so strong - but tax day and the Boston tea party connection is not minor. It would have to be a strange coincidence if this turns out to be Al Qaeda or something. It’s still certainly possible, but let’s not act like militant right wing terrorism isn’t the leading circumstantial candidate here.
You’re acting as if some random café or something got bombed on some random date and people just want to blame any act of terrorism on right wing extremists.
Yes, it’s speculation. No, it’s not driven by hate, but by experience. That’s already been explained to you, but your own hatreds prevent you from understanding it.
It might be, if that was actually what was happening. However, once again, your hate, which by definition you cannot acknowledge, forces you to reject that reality and substitute your own.
Perhaps you’ll one day realize you’re part of the problem. Or perhaps not.
Indeed, the one person in that list who claims certainty is probably lying.
I know I’m a bad person, that has been established, but when someone at work said that there had been a bombing at the Boston Marathon, I said, “those Adult Swim guys have gone too far this time.”
This isn’t analogous to an abortion clinic bombing. Not even close. The Boston Marathon is a huge international event. Anyone could choose it as a target.
Why? Why wouldn’t Al Qaeda want to bomb the Boston Marathon? That’s what they do.
Yes, on the SDMB it certainly is. Which is sad, because this isn’t the case with any normal group of people who aren’t blinded by partisan hatred.
I’m acting like that because I honestly believe this to be the case. If the marathon was held on Tuesday instead of Monday and in NYC instead of Boston the reaction from many on the SDMB would be the same. “Must be the Tea Party.”
:rolleyes:
Note that I don’t think this is true of everyone who’s been posting speculation. It’s possible to thoughtfully consider nature of the attacker and consider various things in that speculation. But that’s not what I’m seeing from ElvisL1ves.
I think the fact there has been no credible claim of responsibility from Al Qaeda mitigates against it being one of their operations.
And the single most similar previous attack was the Atlanta Olympic bombing.
I’m still completely on the fence on this one, however, and believe that any rational person must be sitting up here with me. We really just don’t know anything at this point.
Agreed. But this information wasn’t known yesterday when those posts were made.
That incident occurred to me also. But this one is real, and they seemed to have learned something since then. Despite the media’s obsession with reporting every rumor as quickly as possible in the off chance that it turns out to be true and they said it first, the whole story has been handled well by authorities and comparatively better by the media. Most statements are qualified, and they’ve made it clear we don’t know who did this or why as yet. Let’s hope we do find out in the end, we haven’t come to a conclusion on every act of terrorism.
But why would they pick that, out of many international events? You can handwave and deny the obvious symbology if you like, but that doesn’t help you.
They do? What makes you think so? They’ve denied it, btw. What’s all that about jumping to conclusions? :dubious:
IOW, “no u”. :rolleyes:
And you decry others’ “partisan hatred”, on the basis of some shit you simply made up there.
Back atcha.
You’re not seeing a damn thing except what you *want *to see. I think we all know why.