So abusing people you like is all right in your book? Calling someone a “worthless fucking piece of shit” is par for the course with someone you like and/or work with?
Did you even read the OP?
She made a minor mistake and admitted to it. For this she gets cornered in her office and called a “fucking worthless piece of shit” - and somehow “she handled things wrong”?
I am so glad I do not work in your world.
You really think she brought this on herself??
WHAT? So in your book, abuse is a sign of affection and is not nearly as bad as disdain?
Please tell me you just expressed yourself badly, because if not, that is some seriously screwy thinking.
I guess FRDE’s post (and levdrakon’s) are excellent examples of peoples’ mileages varying. I don’t think I could have gotten to their positions from the OP in a very long time.
Since when is telling someone what your allowable standard of treatment is, “bitching”?
If she got scared it was because he MEANT to scare her. She did not get into an argument with him. He came into her office and castigated her, then when she told him that swearing and name calling was unacceptable, he intimidated her.
What I understand you to be saying is that she should have known her “place” and taken the castigation, name calling, and intimidation without complaint.
Are you, by chance a time traveler? That may have been acceptable in 1955, but not in 2007.
Picnurse, this was nearly unacceptable in the cotton fields of Mississippi, circa 1847.
Point well made though.
Aw, crud; I didn’t realize this had gone to three pages.
What others said re: abuse equalling liking.
Man, I thought the Anna Nicole hearings were nuts.
I think this is the crux of the matter. When I first read the OP, it sounded like the Jr PM was using language and action from every cliched movie on Marine intimidation of recruits. I don’t have direct experience, but the cliche makes sense in military terms of breaking down the psyche, as quoted above.
That’s not appropriate behavior, though, and if the JPM is to be effective for the company, he needs to be seriously re-educated. Not on his side, but to understand it, has he come recently out of the military?
LVgeogeek, you are handling this very well. One indication to me was, after all that awful scary crap, on your second post in this thread, you just called him a “dingleberry”, rather than rail on with worse terms. Pretty well-balanced. Hold your head high, and good luck on navigating this. I hope your higher-ups realize this guy has some major problems dealing with people in a civil(ian) workplace.
The OP was upset and recalling an emotional event. What does “stormed off” mean? Nothing. He left. Not much of an “attack.” More like a verbal hit and run.
Yeah, well your “impression” is pretty obvious:
Here’s another impression for you to try on.
Now let’s see, he verbally insults her, and she talks about kicking his ass and getting her guns ready.
You know what one of the commonly missed signs of an impending workplace killing is? People talking about violence and specifically mentioning guns. Did the guy in this situation do either? Did the OP?
Now, I think the OP was feeling pretty emotional about the whole thing and as I’ve already said several times I don’t blame her because the guy was wrong, wrong, wrong. I don’t blame her for being upset that is. Talking about hoping he gets fires so she can get his job? Talking about kicking his ass? Talking about cleaning her guns to feel better?
You don’t think there’s a little emotional retelling here? Not the slightest possibility?
All right, have it your way, lev. FRDE too. LVgeo is emotional and unstable, she escalated the situation, she made a bad impression on a client, the PM was acting out because of his unrequited crush, words are just words, Greedo shot first, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Still wondering how many times you’ve been “cornered”, as you claim, and how that happened.
Oh, quit it. How many times do people have to say “he was wrong” before you’ll quit sulking?
I’ve been “cornered” many times. It’s a figure of speech. I don’t go home and start cleaning my guns, and I don’t think that’s what the OP meant either. I hope she didn’t anyway.
Don’t reframe the argument.
I don’t really see much wrong with what levdrakon has said. He/ she has not condoned the behaviour of the project manager- rather was warning the OP about perceptions. I see the OP said she was joking about getting him fired and taking the job- fair enough.
Hope all goes well with the action that has been taken- you don’t have to put up with that nonsense. Under any circumstance.
So he gets to twist everything LV has said? She “bitched back”, she “challenged him in front of everyone”, she displayed “signs of an impending workplace killing”. But it’s all okay, because he also said the PM was wrong. Saying that the PM was wrong does not justify slandering LV.
Well I don’t think I’m “twisting” the fact that
Emphasis mine. If you’re going to stand by the OP’s every word, I’d suggest you be the one to call the police. Now. Because the something in the OP’s gun sounds suspiciously like premeditated murder to me.
And you were insinuating that I was hysterical and illogical the other day?! :dubious:
I’m just riffing off Rilchiam.
At post #11 I saw nothing offensive. However, I don’t wish to have thread drift- which is occuring- from the original concept. I think both the original poster and levdrakon can be right.
I will not be posting on this specific argument again.
Okay, so you’re just yanking my chain then. You don’t honestly think that LV is plotting murder, and you’re not really accusing her of it. Good. Because that would not only a huge reach, it would also be lower than whale dick.
LV, for your sake, I’m going to have to bow out of this thread before lev smears you any further.