I hate to be the one to break it to you, but now you have to go to Heaven.
Condolences.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but now you have to go to Heaven.
Condolences.
d’oh!!!
OP;
Can’t you do both?
Yeah, I know. But that’s exactly why it’s all so pathetic! It’s built on nothing more than a pie-in-the-sky belief system! :eek:
What I mean is, if I were REALLY in danger, and refusing to accept any help, I could understand her maternal anguish over “losing” me. But no such thing is happening. It’s all in her head, because of a lifetime’s worth of bullshit fairy tales that she thinks is, well…Gospel Truth. :dubious:
Sad.
Bottom line is neither you nor I really know whether it’s all in her head or not. Your mother may be entirely correct. She certainly believes she’s right, and she probably would not be willing to risk…unpleasantness…with her child if she didn’t sincerely believe it was her duty to you. The woman loves you enough to do what she feels is best, even knowing you disagree.
That doesn’t mean it isn’t annoying, but little annoyances like that are the price we pay for having parents. There is nothing to be gained by arguing the point with her.
Bottom line is neither you nor I really know whether it’s all in her head or not. Your mother may be entirely correct.
We do know that there isn’t a single bit of evidence for any kind of god at all, much less the particular thundercunt Baptists worship.
Since there is exactly as much evidence for aliens that butt-rape you if you pass in the left lane, would it be okay for his mother to demand that he always pass on the right lane? How many random beliefs (and bizarre rules) could be strung together before he’d be okay with chaffing at them?
Good fucking grief. Does it really kill you to allow other people to believe whatever the fuck they want? Is it a requirement that you be as large an asshole as you can possibly be whenever someone believes something different than you? Not exactly the moral high ground then, is it?
Good fucking grief. Does it really kill you to allow other people to believe whatever the fuck they want? Is it a requirement that you be as large an asshole as you can possibly be whenever someone believes something different than you? Not exactly the moral high ground then, is it?
I would say that someone else’s right to believe children stories as reality ends when they expect me to change how I live my life.
If your imaginary friend tells you that meat is murder, fine, just don’t try to outlaw meat for the people that aren’t your particular brand of crazy.
Doesn’t that make sense?
Good fucking grief. Does it really kill you to allow other people to believe whatever the fuck they want? Is it a requirement that you be as large an asshole as you can possibly be whenever someone believes something different than you? Not exactly the moral high ground then, is it?
I hope you were directing your outrage at the OP’s mother.
Both her and the people in this thread who masturbate at their ability to throw around insults at her and her beliefs in this thread, free of the social ramifications of being suck dickweeds to people’s faces.
Both her and the people in this thread who masturbate at their ability to throw around insults at her and her beliefs in this thread, free of the social ramifications of being suck dickweeds to people’s faces.
You’re kind of a silly bitch aren’t you? [/ducking_social_ramifications]
How does the topic of religion generally come up, in these discussions? If you’re the one bringing it up, stop doing that. You know what’s going to happen if you do, and you don’t like it.
If she’s the one bringing it up, change the subject.
Give up on the idea that you’re going to talk her around to your point of view. It won’t work. You can’t reason somebody out of an opinion that they didn’t reason themselves into. And you’ll just make yourself miserable if you try.
I say this as someone who converted to Judaism, having grown up Christian, and whose parents are not thrilled about my decision to do so. They manage to be civil about it, unlike your mom, but we have a kind of unspoken agreement that we do not discuss religion with each other unless absolutely necessary. Do I wish I could discuss my religious ideas with my parents without stirring up conflict? Yes. I also wish I had a billion dollars.
“I’d rather have been BEATEN than see you spit in God’s face.”
So beat her; problem solved.
Oh come on. I’m just joking.
I love my parents. I really, really do. And in general, I get along very well with them. I’ve been very lucky; they cared well for me, educated me, supported me during many difficult periods, and have always loved me unconditionally. Things could be a LOT worse.
If this is true, I strongly recommend just saying something like “Please understand that I don’t want to talk about religion” whenever the religion topic is going to come up. Fighting about it is just a big waste of time. You won’t change her. I suspect that deep down she knows she won’t change you either but society and her church have been training her all her life to think she has to try or that on Judgement Day God will ask her how she could let her own son go to Hell.
I am a big fan of just smiling and nodding when old people say crazy or wrong things. They’ll be dead soon enough. Eventually so will we. None of this petty shit matters when you’re dead.
Both her and the people in this thread who masturbate at their ability to throw around insults at her and her beliefs in this thread, free of the social ramifications of being suck dickweeds to people’s faces.
Ah. In that case you’re completely missing the point that we don’t really care that Mummy dearest is a Christian. We’re criticizing the fact that she’s being as large an asshole as she can possibly be whenever someone believes something different than her. Which is to say, you’re criticizing us for doing the same thing as you are.
Bottom line is neither you nor I really know whether it’s all in her head or not. Your mother may be entirely correct.
Bull fucking shit.
That might work if you’re talking about some deistic prime mover. THAT entity I might agree we cannot know exists for sure, though I’d say the likelihood is so small that we might as well assume it doesn’t.
But when you’re actually talking about the Yahweh character from the bible, we CAN say that we know it she is not correct.
The origin of all her wacky beliefs is a collection of oral mythological origin traditions of some pastoral semitic peoples native to Canaan, written down about the 7th century BCE interspersed with a lot of propaganda. Most of what is written about the history of these people in their holy book can be shown to be incorrect and made up. What more proof do you want?
And from another angle:
Bottom line is neither you nor I really know whether it’s all in her head or not. Your mother may be entirely correct.
Not if she ever said that her sadistic demon-god is loving, benevolent, or nice enough to fail to merit having his face spat in. Because it’s trivial to demonstrate that any deity that would punish Cyningablod for mere disbelief is sufficiently evil to deserve at least a face-spitting.
No, not bullshit. Factual assertion. No one presently alive can say with any degree of certainty what, if anything, happens after death. No one can say with any degree of certainty that there is no god. There could be 1,2, 12, 20, or millions. Maybe it’s Odin & Thor instead of Father & Son. Maybe it’s Odin & Thor & Father & Son & Athena & Aslan & Kali & Loki et al.
I happen to think there is no god. I could be wrong. You could also be wrong. You do not know, and neither to I. It is not possible for either of us to know, without dying.
And whoever drug out that tired old “no evidence” cliche is wrong, too. The Bible is evidence. It may not be strong evidence, and there are known flaws in it, but it is, in fact, evidence.
Now answer mine.
Oh, come on - does it matter? The point, the whole problem here, is that a lot of people have a lot of stress in their relationships with their parents because their beliefs don’t line up. It doesn’t really matter what their beliefs are, just that it’s important to them. It isn’t really relevant whether there is a Christian god or not.