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President Biden made it clear three weeks ago that he had no intention of dropping out. That should have been the end of the discussion. That people have actively sabotaged his campaign to try to force his hand is shameful, and it IS a personal insult to me and to millions of Americans who voted for him and want him to stay in this race, and none of those people should be allowed to take his place.
So Harris is okay?
@Smapti , I enjoy your posts in P&E. I’m not sure who you’re getting at with the Dems.
I think Biden was excellent. I want to vote for him, but the past few weeks…
I don’t see a sabotage, I see some people concerned that Dad should just retire.
He’ll be an ambassador or something like that in a Harris administration.
My Rep. Chrissy Houlahan reportedly told Biden, in a private group meeting, that he was losing Pennsylvania:
News reports like this have been coming out for almost a week, and I do not see Houlahan popping up the deny them.
If trying to ease Biden out means “involved in betraying Biden,” she has betrayed him. So I guess you think I should let the GOP take back our district. Do I understand that correctly?
Or does she need to shut the f up, and say something she doesn’t believe, to get back in progressive good graces?
In that she has stood by Biden in spite of the people trying to elevate her, yes.
I won’t vote for her for president, though, because she’s too right-wing and I don’t trust her.
If she has a (D) on her name then her job is to say “I have the utmost confidence in President Biden and will do everything I can to ensure he is reelected”, just as it is the job of anyone with an (R) on their name to cheerlead for Trump. If she can’t handle that then she should resign and let someone who can support the people’s candidate run instead.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t have any respect for people who do that. If Trump would be disaster for the party and the country, people need to say that regardless of party affiliation. And if a Democrat doesn’t believe Biden is the best vehicle to defeat Trump, then they should say so too
If Trump had had a bad debate night, do you think Republicans would be declaring that he can’t win and someone younger should take his place?
If a candidate can’t be depended on to support their own party’s presidential nominee, why should I trust them to stand for anyone or anything? Who’s to say they won’t throw women or LGBT or minorites or immigrants under the bus the second that the media decides it’s politically expedient for them to do so?
The time to “express doubts” about Biden was a year ago. Now is the time to support your party’s candidate or get out of the way of someone who will.
Metaphors aren’t your strong suit, apparently.
If a party is going to stand blindly behind their putative presidential nominee, despite concerning issues regarding that person, is that what you want? Because that is what the GOP has become, behind Trump.
And, Biden is not yet the nominee. He won’t officially be so until next month, and the DNC.
And it’s going to get Trump reelected.
So yes, I want Democrats to do what it takes to win elections.
I’m glad to see you want a Democratic Party officeholder to resign. Wrong one, but it’s a start 
Joe Biden says “I thought of myself as a Republican for six or seven months” as a young lawyer. Over a long career, as a Democrat, he has reversed himself on multiple issues.
It is in the nature of representative democracy that the representatives can and do change their views on issues. Obviously, if they do so to receive a bribe, they should be prosecuted. But if they change their opinion, they should follow their beliefs.
Joe represented a slave state with a history of dual school systems. Here’s how he used to talk:
Is he untrustworthy because he later betrayed his white constituents?
Sounds to me like he’s talking about affirmative action in that paragraph, not defending segregation. That topic is still up for debate among reasonable people today.
If he’d spent his 1972 Senate campaign declaring that George McGovern was unfit to be president, that’d be a different matter.
(And speaking of '72, that was the last time the Democrats forced.someone off the presidential ticket. How’d that work out?)
At the time, being against affirmative action was the position of segregationists.
Well then I would say he wasn’t serving his constituents very well at the time if he was only appealing to the white ones. Black Americans seem to think he’s more than made up for his past and I’ll defer to them on that, because the topic of affirmative action confuses me and I don’t understand it well enough to have an opinion of it, and it doesn’t affect me so I have no personal stake in it.
Even today in some places that is exactly the reason some people get elected.
Except that a lot of them are saying that Biden is drooling senile and should be kicked off the ticket.
Yes, but ONLY if Biden says so.
It only happens if Biden says so. He has to become convinced that it is the right thing to do. Or it doesn’t happen.
One of the things lacking from this race was the potential for any historic first. It’s been a race of two old white men against each other.
The prospect of being able to get the first woman elected president could give a jolt of energy to the race for the Ds. Otherwise it was purely a message of voting to keep Trump out.
Well then let’s just hope not too many D voters have this mindset or we’ll see Trump as the next president.