Non fundy morons generally don’t go on television parading themselves as the world’s most perfect family while hiding the fact that their eldest son molested several of their daughters including the five year old.
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Non fundy morons generally don’t then tell said son that it would be a really good idea to go work for an organization that dedicates itself to attempting to tell grown women like myself that we can’t get a divorce or use birth control bills.
These fuckers believe that we are the sinners and they are the persecuted people who can’t do anything wrong. They believed it before the molestation issue. They will continue to believe forever. Not in a million years will they stop believing that bullshit. The good news is that more people than ever will realize just how much they aren’t.
I have a twelve year old daughter. Screw anyone who thinks of her as seductive. Or tries to make her think of herself in that way at her age. This thread makes me want to lock her up – or at least never let her near half of you. And hope that Rushgeekgirl and her daughter have found some true healing after all they’ve been through.
I know how you feel, I raised kids myself. I was never paranoid about it but if I didn’t know a neigbor kid very well I would keep an eye open. I am just saying that kids will be kids and it is not the same as an adult doing it.
I can see some people’s point about the first time you hear about this not wanting to risk having your child labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. I can see if the child comes to you crying (as the Duggers said) and claimed that he had touched a sister inappropriately, even being afraid to send the child to a counselor because of fears of mandatory reporting. I can even see sitting the child (again per the Duggars) down and telling him that what he did is completely and totally unacceptable and must never happen again. What I cannot understand is taking no action until after the third incident. If a child is coming to you crying three times to tell you he did something wrong then he clearly is aware that what he is doing is wrong and has shown that he is unable to stop it. That’s when you remove him from the house and get social services involved, because it’s clear that your method of dealing with things are not working.
Also, if I understand correctly, at least 3 of the victims were under age 12. This is a teenager preying on younger children and while I don’t know how I would react if this were my child, you have to admit that these are not harmless exploration but a deliberate act that the perpetrator knew was wrong.
How the hell do you know anything? You know none of these people personally. Your just quoting crap you’ve read on the internet. I’ve been around some of these people and I having seen anything like your suggesting. Are their some weirdos? Hell yes. Just like any other group.
I think the biggest realization would be that secular people aren’t destroying our “true faith”, it’s people like us! And we’re advertising it on TV! Quick! Call the GOP! Tell them to replace the word “god” with “science” and they get the White House! Every time one of us buffoons mentions religion, we look so damn stupid! Utterly stupid!
Maybe our girls SHOULD get a degree, and not from some half-assed places like Liberty or Orel Roberts U. And maybe our son should lay low for a few years. Resign from the Family Counsel (whatever it’s called) Leader position and focus on real things, not religion!
Oh, but I know that’s not possible for people who worship child molestation from afar from their local heroes like their founder Billy Goth!
For all those who think they’re better than the Duggars because they go to a "normal"church, they sing the same songs as you do.
There seems to be entirely too many people in this thread who are entirely too willing to dismiss completely abhorrent behavior as “kids being kids.” It’s very disquieting.
They did not take the accusations seriously. Look how long they even took to get to step one, then they waited longer, got no real help for anyone, did blame the daughters by making them responsible for the son’s actions (amazingly, only females can “defraud”) and then lied to cover it up. Finally, they’ve only been concerned with the son since the news has broke, and trotted out a daughter to absolve him of responsibility.
The denial in this thread is beyond astonishing, it’s gross.
Right? He keeps spouting this, he keeps getting corrected, then he does the same damn thing again. If one can’t be arsed to learn even the simplest facts of this case (which I’m assuming the OP presupposes you do, since that’s what the whole frigging thread is about), why does anyone who knows so little keep opining about it? Boggles the mind, it does.
I think parents are looking for the best possible outcome. I believe that parents should have that right to raise their kids. Parents should be trusted to make family decisions until they have proven themselves to be lousy parents. Any attempt to be premptive in these types of issues will cause more harm than good.
I spent a number of years as a kid in the Gothard movement, same as the Duggars have. (Except they are far, far deeper into it than we were). I don’t have to read crap on the internet, I lived it and was taught it from the same cult leader that taught them.
One of the few good things to come of this is that more people are finding out the depths of insanity taught in the Gothard cult rather than the ‘aren’t we just the best family there ever was??’ drivel the show has been pushing all these years.
I believe by allowing the molester to continue having access to the children once they knew about the molestation, they proved themselves to be lousy parents.
It’s hardly “biblical” to say that once he’d confessed to molesting children twice he should not have been permitted to be alone with them again. Or to say that they should have done something to protect the other children. Or to say that they should have gotten him professional help. Or even had him answer for his crimes in a court of law.
And again, it sounds to me like that was done. Most sexual abuse cases I’ve seen it’s ongoing for as long as the victim lives with the perp and the family is forever broken because of it. The Duggars seem like a happy brood, relatively unaffected by what was a very short-lived problem.
Again, show me a family that did a better job. Most families do a lot worse.
I am unclear as to the syntax of this post. Are you assuming that I am not, myself, a parent? Because, if I’m reading your post right, it seems like you’re saying that a parent would sympathize with the choice that the Duggars made about how to handle this. Is that what you’re saying?
Then explain the house they built to keep the brothers and sisters separated. Locks on the door. A high catwalk so no one could come near the girls room without being seen.
Looks like they didn’t think it was safe for the girls anymore.
Most families don’t continue to have children after being unable to protect their existing kids from sexual abuse.
Most families don’t go on national television and present themselves as perfect families with this kind of shit in their closet.
Most families don’t run around on television telling grown women they shouldn’t be allowed access to birth control or that gays stink.
Most families don’t force their older children to act as surrogate parents for younger kids because they are morons who have so many kids they can’t parent them.
And for the eleventeenth time, WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THE ABUSE WAS SHORT LIVED. We don’t know shit about the abuse. We don’t know when it stopped or if it is still going on. The Duggars are bunch of badly educated dumb shits with too many kids and tiny little brains. Why the hell should we believe a word they say?
They don’t seem like a happy brood. They seem like a group of really dumb people with an idiotic belief system that encourages sexism, overpopulation, homophobia and deliberate ignorance. Jim Bob Duggar makes disgusting excuses for sexual abuse. Michelle Duggar talks like a five year old and refuses to educate her own kids properly. Her daughters sound like the kind of morons who want to join ISIS or the Westboro Baptist Church. Her eldest son is a pedophile and a sanctimonious asshole with a GED and an over inflated sense of importance.
It is deeply disturbing to see how many foolish people still blindly support them.
I didn’t say anything of the kind. I feel like parents should have the discretion and be able to make a decision based on what they feel is the best possible outcome.
Wrong. Most families take no action at all to protect their kids from sexual abuse by family members. Strangers they’ll get all mama and papa bear on, but when it’s within the family the reaction is almost always denial or lame attempts to keep them separated. “Don’t ever leave the kids alone with Uncle Jim! You know how he is!”
Most families don’t go on national TV, but most families who are well regarded in their community have secrets.
Which has nothing to do with sexual abuse. Liberal families have sexual abuse problems too.
It’s certainly possible that Josh Duggar is a very sick man who will always be a sexual offender. And when there’s evidence that this is the case, I’ll believe it.
Sounds like part of your issue is their belief system. Fine, so show me a more liberal, secular family that handled sexual abuse within their family in a more productive way.
