That will be hard to do unless it become public.
Yeah the whole problem isn’t the pedophilia or the cover up of the pedophilia or the sexist belief system or two fucking idiots with nineteen kids and five brain cells who promote a cult on national television that insults gays, demeans women, encourages sexual abuse, denies science and discourages rational behavior.
The whole problem is um Lena Dunham. Or liberalism.
Yeah.
Clearly we should all stop picking on this fabulous family and go back to admiring them as they breed up another generation of nice white Christians.
Exactly. Almost all families cover it up.
I’m curious as to why you seem to support that.
If you disagree then, it should be pretty easy to find families that have come forward. It’s a lot easier to find famous people who were sexually abused by family members and those family members were never brought to justice.
For example, sexual abuse of children is rampant in liberal Hollywood:
Many celebrities have also been sexually abused. If 1 out of 100 of these cases end up in the court system I’d be shocked. Few sexual abuse survivors report that they told, and for all of their bravery in coming forward, most aren’t brave enough to name names.
For fuck’s sake, this isn’t a liberal/conservative thing! People aren’t going after the Duggars because of politics. They’re going after them because of their actions.
Not if their child is breaking the law and molesting other children. You seem to forget that what Josh did was also a felony.
There are plenty of conservatives in Hollywood. And conservatives are not underrepresented in the legions of sexual predators.
However the first link says nothing about the ideology of the attackers.
Your post implies that liberals approve of child molestation yet you, a staunch conservative, rather than demanding justice for the victims, approve of hiding what was done and avoiding the law.
Really? Really? This sounds more like people who have been badly victimized blaming themselves for what happened. Even assuming that a little girl who was asleep/lying there did “want it” (ugh), how does that make the guy any less of a molester–how is he supposed to know the girl wanted it?
These posts are starting to make me feel like I took a left turn off the the Fighting Ignorance one onto some Incest Is Best site.
Many are going after them over their religion, which in their case is heavily related to their politics, as if non-religious families are any better on this issue.
It’s not meant to imply anything other than that there is no evidence that the Duggars religious beliefs contributed to the problem. However, it might have contributed to them handilng the issue better than most families do.
Sexual abuse within families is not exactly rare. What is exceedingly rare is for families to let other people know about the problem, especially the authorities.
Because a lot of their religious beliefs ARE messed up – have you read about the Gothard teachings? We’re not talking about Christianity in general here, but about the Quiverful movement.
Building a new house to keep the boys and girls apart, locks on the doors and watching Josh is not handling it better. Plus, it’s an avenue few families can afford. It really says that whatever they did, they didn’t fully believe it worked.
And yet they seemed unconcerned as it took four years before the house was finished.
I think the one thing I hope we’ve all learned is that if anyone goes on TV with their family and says they’ve got this whole family values thing down pat is to view them with a pretty hefty dose of skepticism. There are no real life Waltons. Maybe the best we can do is just to be as not fucked up as we can.
In what way did they demonstrate poor family values? Because they had a kid that did bad things? Bad things which they dealt with?
“Bad things” that harmed five innocent victims. And the way they “dealt with” it, was by sending him away to do construction work. And all the while, they’re accusing gays and transgendered people of being pedophiles…when ooops, he did the same damned thing!
“Oh, people are soooo judgemental!!! Jesus forgives me!!!” Maybe, just maybe, they could stop and think of this as God’s way of showing him he needs to do penance for his actions? At least, that’s what the nuns who taught me growing up would probably say.
Here’s one of Josh’s quotes:
Note the last sentence. “I would end up ruining MY life”. Not his victims’ lives. HIS life. And no, they didn’t speak with the authorities, just a family friend who was a state trooper. Who is now spending what will probably be the rest of his life in prison for child porn.
They keep talking about how Josh asked Jesus for forgiveness, and Jesus forgives all sins, and blah blah blah. Does that mean that Christians are some how above the law? These people treat Jesus as a “Get Out of Hell Free” card. That’s disgusting. It’s what’s called “cheap grace”.
Because they had a kid who something many people consider unforgivable and it never occurred to them to think, “Gee, maybe this whole pumping out children and farming out the parenting to the female children ISN’T actually working.” Because they had a kid who did unspeakably terrible things to their other kids and their response was to try to keep them apart with gender-segregated housing rather than actually dealing with the problem. Because they had a kid who did something horrific and they still thought that they had any business going on TV and presenting themselves as a nice, cute, all-around great family rather than maybe doing some soul searching and saying, "You know, maybe we’re NOT the best people to do this!’
I just don’t understand this “keep it in the family” mentality. I mean, yes, I do get the urge to cover things up–people have been doing that forever. What’s creepy to me is that on this board people are saying that they think the family where the molestation occurred is the best place to deal with it. There’s no possible way you can be objective. You’re way, WAY too close to it.
It’s not the best place to deal with it, but, had this been a single instance, and you thought you had successfully dealt with it, I could see keeping it in the family.
Not because it’s the best place to deal with it, but because we as a society have decided that punishment is more important than rehabilitation in these situations. This is the type of situation that requires treatment. Jail time would be completely ineffective.
And, unfortunately, this holds even if you go to get treatment yourself, because of mandated reporter laws. Because of those laws, pedophiles don’t seek treatment before they become child molesters. You think someone who has actually offended would go?
I very much would understand a family choosing to cover this sort of thing up if it happened in their own house. I’d understand first hoping it was a one time thing, and then later trying to get therapy from someone disconnected from the system. That’s not where the problem lies.
It’s the Duggar’s actions defending themselves and Josh that make me think it wasn’t these natural desires to deal with this without getting involved in a broken system. It’s how little they seem to care about their daughters in this situation. It’s how they are trying to make themselves and Josh out to be the victims. That’s what makes me go back and retroactively apply those ideas to what they did back then. That’s what makes it disgusting.
I’m actually not that upset at Josh himself. I only worry that he’s still a child molester because he wasn’t properly treated. Because, if you catch this stuff early, you can often fix the problem. Child sex offenders have a much better time at rehabilitation than adult ones.
I worry that he will offend again, and I blame his parents for that. And Gothard, BTW, because he’s who misled the parents.
when did I ever say i was ok with anything to do with molestation. I said for best possible outcomes families in most cases could best handle it themselves. When you involve social workers who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground and have an agenda going in you are flirting with disaster worse than the molestation.
Just the opposite of what you are saying, the adult is always at fault. What it does say is that a big part of the damage associated with molestation is a result of repressed guilt and shame and blaming themselves. Often they feel guilt about getting someone else in trouble when they feel it is their fault. It is always the adult fault regardless of wether or not a kid was flirting with them.
The young Dugar boy souns like he has some serious issues while in a lot of cases all the parties involved grow up to be responsible well adjust adults with no interference from law enforcement. Trying to be too preemptive and bringin law enforcement or social workers too soon would end up compounding the damage done.