I'll keep my Trump-voting cousin, if you don't mind

That is a sweeping generalization. Sometimes it’s harder, sometimes it’s easier.

It would be a piece of cake to cut my cousin off. One text - “I can’t in good conscience associate with you because you voted for Trump” - and all done. It’s not like I’m going to have awkward moments bumping into him at the Post Office; he lives a two-hour drive away and half the time he’s not on island anyway.

Here’s something to think about:

I have a friend whose parents were emotionally abusive to him in ways similar to the way my parents treated me. He cut them out of his life completely, to the point of changing his name so it would be harder for his parents to track him down. It cost him dearly in many ways.

I chose differently - while I distanced myself from my parents (the fact I lived outside the US for most of my adult life is no coincidence), I maintained some contact, and when my mother ended up widowed, bitter, and alone, I made some very difficult choices to help her. (And I don’t just mean the decision-making was difficult; providing the help was really hard too.)

Once, when our parents were still alive, that friend said to me, “You know, I really admire you for having the guts to maintain contact with your parents. It was a morally defensible choice, but I personally just couldn’t do it.”

And my response was, “That’s funny, because I really admire you for having the guts to cut off all contact with your parents. It was a morally defensible choice, but I personally just couldn’t do it.”

And you, BigT, have no way of judging either us, or what decisions we made. These matters are deeply personal. A dismissive, “Cutting people off is much harder than keeping them in your life” as if every person on the planet had identical circumstances, is absurdly simplistic and lacking in insight.

Heh–I just realized that this may be the first time ever that a person has been accused of not being an ally to trans folk because they used the wrong pronouns–specifically, third person plural instead of first person singular.

Oh, man! I wasn’t judging you at all with that post. Sorry it came off that way!

That was a completely different conversation that kinda spun off from your discussion. A conversation I am no longer participating in.

My only question for you was “are you still trying to convince him?” If so, then I think that’s good. If not, then I think you should.

That said, I also understand where Czarcasm is coming from. I loathe this idea that there is some obligation because they’re family. Or that, because they are nice in other ways, it makes up for them being bad in this particular way.

Your post is confusing to me, as I can’t quite understand your motivations. Is it the former, that he’s a good guy who you think you can get through to over time? Or is it the other stuff where you’re willing to overlook it because family?

The first one, that’s a noble thing, whether it works out or not. The second one kinda sucks for anyone affected, like Czarcasm (who I believe is LGBT).

If you despise someone for any reason. You’re the hater the hatee does not care.
It takes effort on the hater to maintain the hate. It will eat you up. And the hatee will skip merrily along as if they care not.

You’re hurting yourself being hater. Only you.

You can abhor the whole situation and be distressed without hating your loved ones. No man’s an island (they might live on one, tho’ :face_with_hand_over_mouth:)

As far as I can tell Carol’s cousin is no Hitler or Kim.
They’re a human being. I’m sure they’ve not killed, threatened, rounded up or caged any one…

I don’t really want to have this conversation. But briefly: The issue is that he supports the guy who has promised to do these sorts of things.

Hopefully, it’s just because he doesn’t realize this.

I don’t think you’re morally wrong and don’t see any problem. Your cousin voted for Trump but he seems more like a standard garden-variety conservative Republican who only votes for people with an “R” next to their names than a hardcore MAGAt who’s always wearing his red MAGA cap regardless of the setting and won’t stop spouting right-wing talking points and insane conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, QAnon, and George Soros. You all seem civilized enough to go through a Thanksgiving without any danger of the dinner table being flipped and someone being stabbed with the carving knife.

I keep thinking about this quote:

I really hope the US doesn’t go full Nazi. Because who is going to stop us? I can’t see Britain making an amphibious landing on the Atlantic coast to restore freedom and democracy to the continent.

I can tell you think you’re making some grand point with this sneering post, but what the fuck does this have to do with OP’s comment, Czarcasm’s response to the OP, or my reply to Czarcasm?

I feel for you @CairoCarol. I’m not gonna abandon anyone.

One cousin is a very good artist. I have some of her original work. But, I’m pretty sure is a Trump supporter. Her husband was a Major(?) in the Air Force. They are wealthy.

My BIL, whom I like a lot was for sure a MAGA. Wealthy guy. I enjoy visiting both of these people, but we have to draw the line at politics. We’ve worked well together. Mostly working on his gentleman’s ranch.

The BIL had a Trump banner in his barn. And he had a 65th birthday party. And later a barn dance. Just cause we all ended up in the barn for whatever reason, and people started dancing. He had taken the the banner down before that happened. So, perhaps he turned a corner, I donno. Perhaps he knew that it would offend many people there.

That depends.
Do you still support the rapist?

You seem interested in pointing out that Czarcasm made a rude comment. I’m pointing out that the next president of this country went on TV multiple times to threaten using the military against people like me. One of these things matters and one doesn’t.

There’s a quote from Naomi Shulman this conversation reminds me of:

Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than ‘politics’. They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away.

You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.

Sure they care, if you hate them you might actually do something instead of spout platitudes about being nice and kind and whatnot. Even if it’s only walking away.

Not hating them makes it that much easier for them when they round you up and ship you off to your death.

sure, in the larger context. But we have like 15+ plus threads ongoing more germane to that issue in which you could make it. It was just weird that you made it in reply to my stupid (and yes, not really important) off-topic reply to Czarcasm.

have never supported him, have never voted for him, and never would. And yes I agree that people that did in the last election have some explaining to do. But I understand why the OP has done what they have and I would do the same. Context matters. Blind allegiance to prescriptive morality risks missing a lot of nuance sometimes.

Huh? If they’re gonna arrest you they don’t care who, what or where you hate or not. Their mind is made up.

Hate only serves to hurt the hater.

The reason we’re where we are is there are people who hate.

That’s not a platitude

Simple hard truth.

I hate Donald Trump. It helps me not one iota.
It makes me fret and worry. It changes not one damn thing about the state of politics in this country.

The best thing you can do is “Keep calm and carry on” there’s you a Platitude.

History demonstrates otherwise, for good and bad.

I’m going to be heading up this weekend to a pre-Thanksgiving familial get together at which liberals will be outnumbered 10/1, so it’s been a bit on my mind. I don’t particularly want to play nice, and be congenial, I want to be rude, I want to point out that the man they seem to like is a rapist, wants to sic the military on me, wants to implement a “bloody” forced deportation of millions of people and ruin my employer (and start a worldwide trade war) with across the board tariffs.

My family is filled with nice people, genuinely decent folks, but they’re conservative, and if they start up with being excited about a Trump Administration, I don’t know if I can think they’re nice anymore.

That’s the right way to do it! You’re going to make that determination based on the totality of the evidence available to you, not solely on a single data point (whether or not they voted for Trump).

Incidentally, that’s exactly what the OP did, only they came to the conclusion that the person was still worth having in their life. And it is this kind of deeper analysis that Czarcasm, and a hell of a lot of other posters on this forum, scornfully deride.