Once a day would be great. 4 times a week would be good too.
It does make male sexuality somewhat of a sick joke, all dressed up and know where to go as it were. Men strongly desire to be with women sexually and for most women they either can take it or leave it or really have no interest at all.
Fortunately, I am pleased to say my current relationship and, indeed, all relationships before it completely meet all my sexual needs and do not need improving in any way at all!
Did that sound sincere enough?
Almost. Maybe if you left the exclamation point off.
Dang. The devil’s in the details.
So, how “ideal” is this scenario, anyway?
Does the sex necessarily include orgasm? If I’m guaranteed an orgasm every time, then the number goes way up. If I also don’t have to worry about whether my partner enjoys himself or has an orgasm, then it goes up a little more.
Do I still have to attend to my normal life otherwise, including a 1-year old kid, a job, friends, family obligations, and so on? If so, the number goes pretty far down.
Do I still require the essentials - food, water, sleep? If not, it goes back up again.
In short, if the “ideal” scenario is that I literally don’t have to do anything else ever, I’d probably say upwards of 15 times a day at bare minimum.
If none of the above applies, and the only thing that makes the scenario “ideal” is that I can have it whenever I want it, well, that’s more or less my current situation. I might be having it once or twice a week more often than I am now, but yeah. I’m basically good.
There’s a bit of a disconnect between the men who are making claims that women aren’t horny, and the horny women who say “yes we are”. Neither side appears (at least through the posts in this thread) to appreciate the fact that people’s preferences form a distribution.
Jaded men can forget that not every woman goes weeks without a sexual thought, and that the ones who do may not form the mass at the center of the bell curve. Cynical men would do well to remember that those women may actually be the “cold” outliers on that bell curve. Add a fair amount of confirmation bias, and you could seriously skew that perception.
Similarly, the women who say they want it every day (or more often) may forget that they don’t necessarily fall in the middle of that bell curve, either. Someone’s got to be the “warm” outliers, and it might just be them.
I believe that you can’t form a long-standing, ubiquitous stereotype like “men want to have sex more often than women” without it being true at some level. Of course, it may be subject to many caveats and qualifications that make dangerous to wield bluntly. However, at its core, it’s built around a bit of reality.
Not sure why it that review of the polling data comes off that way to you.
Men, on average, want more sex with less preamble than women do, on average. Individuals vary greatly. Cultures vary greatly. That review does not say what is “normal” or “abnormal” or “sick” … just what is typical. The odds are that within any heterosexual relationship chosen at random the male is wanting sex more often and the female is feeling like there is enough of it. Sometimes that is reversed and sometimes the disconnect between the two is huge and a cause of much unhappiness within the relationship, but according to the objective polling data that general tendency does seem to be reality on average. Yes YMMV. (Or should it be YSLMV?)
Here’s a big secret to sexuality in a relationship.
If we’ve told you men that we’re going to do X amount of chores, and we don’t do them, you don’t particularly care, you’ll have sex with us anyway.
Whereas if we’ve told you 17 times to get off your ass and do X chore which you promised to do and you still haven’t done it, and we don’t want to nag like our mothers but you leave us no choice because the parents are coming up this weekend and we’d like it to be nice for them, and you don’t listen until we nag…well, when you come to bed, we probably won’t be able to let go of the simmering resentment that you can’t, like an adult, do the damn thing you promised to do and won’t want to have sex with someone we’re not happy with right now.
Fair enough, but that is an excuse, unless you think that wives are perfect and cannot deal with their flawed husbands, whereas the husbands are flawed and want to have sex with their wives because they are perfect and the husbands don’t have anything to resent.
IMO the resentment is probably roughly equal, which to me says that in male-female relationships, with many caveats and exceptions, men tend to want sex more often in REAL LIFE where there are flawed humans…
Female, 23. Three times a week is good for me and that’s what I’m averaging. If it were less messy and didn’t require losing sleep most of the time, I’d maybe go for 4 or 5. But I’m in “the mood” probably 3 times a week.
No, I don’t mean anything like that. I just meant…resentments, at least to me, and many other women, do affect my sex drive. I never answered the poll but I am probably happy with about five times a week, but I am not switched on all the time. Guys IME are switched on all the time. Not all guys, and not every guy, but most guys have been ready to go most anytime.
Heavens, no, I don’t think wives (or women) are perfect.
I don’t know, I just think that everything you just said kind of reinforces the idea that women have a “take-it-or-leave-it” attitude towards sex, as opposed to men who just absolutely need a level of sex in any serious relationship that they have.
That doesn’t mean the same thing, at all, and I think you are really reaching for it. If that happens, it just means I don’t want to have sex with him. I still want to have sex.
I mean, that’s why I have a vibrator.
I would have sex whenever I felt like it, and only then.
And I still don’t have to share my bed, pillows, bank account, or fridge space.
But that doesn’t make any sense.
If you still want to have sex, and if your SO is there, then why WOULDN’T you have sex with him? Because of some slight annoyance that you might have towards him?
If minor things like that kill your interest in sex, then it’s safe to say that you probably view sex in general in a way in which it’s far less essential than it would be for a guy. I mean, you said it yourself, insignificant nonsense will not stop a guy from wanting to have sex, yet that’s exactly what it’ll do to a woman.
And it doesn’t make any sense to me that I should have sex with him even if I am irritated with him. Just a difference of opinion. Also, calling it “slight annoyance” or “insignificant nonsense” isn’t going to get him any, either.
Newsflash, though: Sex is not essential. It’s very important, but lots of people do without it.
And you see, that’s where the huge difference in the sex drives of men & women really lies. Almost any guy will tell you that sex is one of the most important parts of a healthy relationship; most women would rank sex FAR lower on the same scale.
And because you’re keen on dealing in opinions, here’s one that’ll sum it all up: Most men probably think that sex is essential; most women would probably be fine without much sex at all.
If someone irritates me enough that I don’t want sex, I’m doubly irritated because I didn’t stop wanting sex, that person just screwed it up for me by being a douchebag.
I don’t think you can cite angry sex here either because we’re not going to have some rough, passionate encounter over repeated failure to clean the gutters and the resulting nagging. We’re just going to be annoyed and uncomfortable.
Okay, I thought you were saying something akin to “Well we WOULD be just as frisky as men but since men don’t do chores…” which doesn’t refute the idea that women don’t want sex as frequently as men, it demonstrates it IMO even.
But I see we were just talking past each other.