Well.
(Eph 5:23 NIV) For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
Plus, I did take a vow to honor and obey my husband. So I guess his authority DOES take precedence over mine, doesn’t it? Jarbabyj summed it up just about perfectly.
What exactly does this have to do with the topic?
But just to entertain you, give me some hypothetical situations, and I’ll answer you. As for your first one, it wouldn’t happen, since JC and I agree on this matter. Not because JC says so, but because God says so.
Signed,
Joe_Cool’s wife.
Joe Cool
Jesus Christ
Children are a gift from God and his words. To treat them as these parents allegedly did is deplorable and is to spit in the face of everything Jesus teaches.
No, it isn’t.
Because Daryl’s parents (almost certainly) aren’t reading this thread, and aren’t members of this community. andygirl is, as are others here with similar stories. Daryl’s parents aren’t going to be harmed, or actually affected in any way, by us expressing our feelings about them. Your remarks, on the other hand, read like a slap in the face to people right here who are touched by this tragedy, and many others like it.
Even granting your points, the kind thing—dare I say the Christian thing?—would be to keep them to yourself.
That’s why I doubt your assertion that you “don’t have a dog in the fight.” Would you really spend this much time and effort (several hundred words of text) if we weren’t talking about a gay person?
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***Originally posted by Joe_Cool *
What I’m saying is that you CANNOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, SINCE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT DID HAPPEN. **/
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What I find interesting about Joe’s stance in this thread as stated above and with his repeated classification of the incident as reported as 'third hand" or fourth hand" or whatever hand, is that he bases his entire structure of belief around teachings that were written 40-100 years after the incidents in question, as translated through many centuries of different languages by people who “clearly embellished the story and did quite a bit of creative interpretation of …(the original story)…, I assume for dramatic effect” without pause or question. If andygirl’s account is third or fourth hand, what would the bible be, tenth hand? One hundredth hand? This is not an attack on Joe, just an observation, and I wonder why this particular story is being held to an exacting standard of proof that he dosen’t demand from the core basis of his worldview/belief system.
I think that tells me everything I ever needed to know about you, thanks:)
[sub]Smiley because in spite of that, I’m still happy I found my former schoolmate.Link[/sub]
Frankly, no. What if your husband is flat out wrong. And please don’t tell he won’t be or that you trust him or anything like that. This is the kind of question I can never get an answer to. What if the guy is wrong and the wife refuses to go along with him? What if she flat out refuses to accept his authority? What then? What is the guy supposed to do? And why won’t anybody ever answer that for me?
You know, in my relationship, the husband is the head of the household too.
This isn’t quite as efficient as it might be.
Diog, I’ve often asked that question. Why does the husband automatically win all ties? Why would the woman ever think this is a good, equitable situation? In reality, you might NEVER get your way on an issue. And why won’t any of you people answer the question? Maybe it’s too painful to entertain.
Horseshit. In case you weren’t aware, andygirl is a practicing Christian. Which is more than I can say for you.
Whining is one thing. Discussing your experience is another.
And I stand by what I said. You are one cold hearted, unfeeling son of a bitch.
What do you do when you’re wrong? My husband picked out our second apartment here in Chicago when we were hemming and hawing between two different places.
Turned out it was a shitty apartment, riddled with mice and he said,
“Jeez, this was a crappy decision on my part”
What’s confusing? Everyone makes bad decisions, and if he sees that I truly disagree with what he’s doing, obviously it’s a topic that needs to be discussed at more length until we reach a sort of consensus.
In the end, a Durango or a Stratus didn’t really matter to me, but we couldn’t buy two cars, so I left it to him.
It’s not nearly as dire as you’re making it out to be.
Yeesh, Patrick, is there any Doper you haven’t gotten physical with?
Hehehehe!!!
You know, Joe, I’ve thought a lot of different things about you since I first noticed your posts. Asshole, bigot, homophobe, hypocrite. That sort of thing. But at your heart, I always assumed you were still human. I see now that I was wrong. You, sir, are evil. Simply evil; nothing more, nothing less.
May God help your children.
Jarbaby said, “What’s confusing? Everyone makes bad decisions, and if he sees that I truly disagree with what he’s doing, obviously it’s a topic that needs to be discussed at more length until we reach a sort of consensus.”
But that’s not what you said earlier. You said all draws defer to him. Per your parents. That’s a far cry from what you described in the paragraph above.
All draws go to him, but not until we’ve been over it a hundred times. He doesn’t just march into the house and say “We’re moving to Montana”. But if we’ve discussed it for six months and aren’t sure which is the best decision, I defer to him.
If he’s wrong, he’s wrong. I once forgot to pay the rent on time, that was wrong too.
I still fail to see the problem. I am not voiceless in the marriage in any way.
Obviously Joe, you don’t know jackshit about psychology or mental illness. But I can tell you that the survival instinct in humans is so incredibly strong, that something would have to be seriously out of wack for someone to kill himself.
Depression is not so much selfish as it is self-centered. You literally cannot see beyond the pain. From what you describe, you did NOT suffer from what psychologists term as depression.
You do, however, have some serious issues.
Of course, I recall the time we asked Joe and Jersey exactly WHAT happened with their daughter’s teacher that made them so angry, and to offer proof that Jersey wasn’t committing adultery for remarrying. (all of course, merely to prove a point to them, which they missed).
(FWIW, I would not even care what their situation is, however, when Joe and His4ever kept ragging on homosexuality, what else could one do to make them get the point?)
And I recall they went apeshit-how DARE we question them.
Besides, Joe, we have only YOUR WORD that your parents kicked you out as a teen. How do we know for sure?
Get bent. People, help me calm down. I am sitting here seething. I am so fucking sick and tired of this stigma against mental illness (forget being GAY, people think you’re lying if you’re depressed-you’re obviously WHINING!)
I was not quite suicidal-I didn’t want to kill myself exactly, but I do know that all I wanted to do was to sleep. To just sleep through everything. I didn’t want to die-but I wanted to an escape. It’s not that I didn’t CARE about my parents-but I was literally in so much agony that I couldn’t see beyond what I was feeling.
In this case, Darryl also may have felt that since they told him he was no longer their son, they probably wouldn’t care.
Jersey, go post at Ladies Against Feminism or something like that. And take your SOB spouse with you.
** jarbabyj**I’m not slamming you by any means, but I’m just a little incredulous.
What makes the man more qualified to make the decisions?
I’ve been married for 20 years and the entire premise of our relationship is an equal partnership.
It actually seems rather unfair to the man to have to bear the burden of the responsibilty for making the final choice.
I mean, wouldn’t have been better all round if you had just said “Honey, that’s a crappy apartment and I’m not going to live there?”
Guin check yr email please…
Worse-you spit in the face of Christ himself.
-Matthew 25:45
I think I’m people, so what the heck:
An arsonist comes along and lights your house on fire, then begins to jog away. You see this. Inside the house, as flames begin to lick higher, there are cries of pain and fear from your children. You are angry at whoever this was who just set fire to your house, and a part of you wishes to chase him, beat him, cause him pain. But your house is burning. That which you love is pained within. If you give in to this wish, they will suffer, perhaps lastingly.
Feeding the anger is chasing the arsonist and letting your children burn and suck in smoke. Anger’s fine–it’s justifiable and understandable in times like this. But the energy of it can be put to better use.