neta: of course he could posit that astral and i are pulling some shit. or maybe just me? regardeless, it will be resolved in a bit. and i think we have enough folks here that will figure out what happens. c’mon scum bastards leave your votes where they are and face certain incarceration in the Days to come after i flip.
maybe my posts are invisible to you?
I’m starting to think you don’t like me any more…
fucking triple cross post.
woot the fucking woot.
And while I’m here
vote Natlaw
for the reasons I laid out in Post 376. He’s trying to selectively draw information from Idle and I specifically.
i’d kind of like you more if your scum ass wasn’t trying to get my skinny ass lynched.
abbot and costello take it on the road.
woot woot.
just to annoy oy.
It’s confusing, I know it took me a while to get it straight in my mind… **Idle **and **Suburban **began In Transit, but it was **Idle **and **Pleonast **who claimed right away.
As for **peeker’s **claim, I agree it could certainly be bullshit, but I’d also bet that IF there is a mason pair in this game they will be separated between UK and NZ. If so, that would be there would be a true mason in NZ right now to counter-claim. Or it was a very ballsy claim by peeker.
Yes, as I have tried to say a couple of times now, I found him suspicious at the time that I made my vote and until I re-read things once Wellington Day had begun, because my impression of what I did absorb from the London thread was that people were suspicious about travelers and continued to be suspicious of them when it did not seem reasonable to continue such suspicions, and in my (admittedly skimmish) reading of ShadowFacts long post in response to Drain Bead’s similar views just prior to me submitting my vote, Pleonast’s post in particular stuck in my brain as expressing the very idea that made me suspicious.
Skimming in that thread, at least for me, there are a quite a few posts that start with something to the effect of:
“Yeah, I agree that suspicion of travelers seems prudent…” [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] but I’ve since changed my mind.[blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep] [blah] [bork] [meep]
But I was wrong, and I’m admitting that was wrong, and because it there is a risk that I will continue to be wrong because my eyes glaze over when I’m not actively involved in pages and pages of conversation, I’m trying to mitigate that risk by sharing it.
But since that no one but peeker seems to be interested in voicing their opinions on what they would do if they could vote in London toNight, perhaps that is yet another wrong choice that I have made.
Unvote Suburban
I’m contemplating a Scuba vote. For one, I think it is way too early to consider a Vanilla claim suspect on its own, as he seems to propose. Then there’s this:
Let me preface this by saying that this game is already starting to hurt my head, because we all seem to be speaking in contradictions, even me, as you’ll see…
I think it is quite clear that this is one game, not two, and by isolating play into two sub-games, we functionally cut the Town’s braintrust in half, which is bad. As badly as I’m am trying to play with the information in both locations, I think we should all be trying to play with as much information and context as can be gleaned from both. At the same time (as I have already stated, at least for me personally) I have the opposite impression of Scuba as to the non-traveling players in either location really being able to productively engaged with what is being said in the other location. I think it will be so ‘calm’ of a read that people will have to try particularly hard to engage analytically.
But then not everyone is suffers from the self-centered/ADD playstyle that I do.
Hey, you quoted post #384 which was an analysis of the implications of a fake claim, I’d previously unvoted in post #380 and confirmed that I was not willing to vote a claimed mason shortly after in post #386.
I laid out my main suspicions based on the events of Day 1 in #262. I may have voted for Drain: despite the evidence to the contrary, she voted based on an incorrect interpretation and did not unvote when additional evidence showed she was clearly wrong.
Based on #395 I’m going to:
Vote Natlaw
Yes, apologies. You and Mahaloth and Diver have made your views clear on Drain.
If any of you think anyone else is more worthy of a vote over their than Drain, feel free to correct me.
FYI, I think something is awry with the Dope’s database.
Symptom #1: Trying to search for all of Scuba Ben’s posts in The Game Room brought up nothing in this game for me, and I tried twice earlier tonight. I gave up and went hunting for his posts page by page.
Symptom #2: I just tried to quote Sachertorte’s (corrected) Dawn post #252 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13246655&postcount=252) , and it keeps trying to quote Scuba Ben’s post #362 (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13258024&postcount=362)
Anywho, it is the end of this cycle that I’m trying to confirm, because the Wellington Dawn post refers to London Day ending at 21:00 GMT Friday 17 December 2010, and Wellington Night ending at 10:00AM NZDT Tuesday 18 December 2010 (Friday 4:00PM EST 17 December 2010 for the Yanks), and I just want to make sure that the town’s being inverted as to who is in Day and who is in Night is the only error there, not any of the times.
Natlaw’s request of our involuntary travelers does seem off. I’m willing to vote on it and leave the paradoxical look at Scuba Ben alone for now.
Vote Natlaw
If our Day indeed ends at 4:00PM EST tomorrow, I will probably be awake to check on things before the transition, and possibly change my vote. It just feels like I’m suspecting/voting more on weird statements that need to be clarified and less on things that strike me as scummy. Then again that can be a fine line.
Cookies, I think the Day ends at 4pm today.
I’m about to leave for work and may not be back to the thread before 4pm. I’m going to have to agree that **Natlaw’s **fishing for Travel plans is one of the few truly suspicious things I saw Today. It isn’t much, but good enough for Day 1.
vote Natlaw
Yes that’s what I meant. :smack:
Unvote peeker
Because we can wait for Astrals confirmation.
(Restored underlined part of my post in that quote).
I only asked about Idle and Planktons because Pleonast claimed travel plan is fixed and no other travels have claimed so far. The quoted post I was re-iterating my reason to ask it because peeker seconded my question but for a different reason.
I was in favor of a can/can’t/must travel claim. The only reason against it at that point was given as “travelers might be power roles” (IIRC). The mass claim didn’t seem to be happened so when I made that post I was considering claiming myself to get the ball rolling. The underlined reason was why I decided not to do it at that point.
I don’t think my question is equivalent to asking a cop or doctor to reveal their target. Those actions are hidden but traveling is not and even then it also takes half a cycle to complete.
Again I asked it to compare the motivation of future travels with their current stance on traveling. This is similar to discussing for example vigilante tactics on Day One to be able to compare it with a claimed vigilante’s action later in the game.
Since Day end is close I might as well claim now:
I’m actual in Europe so I’ll be back from work before Dusk to review it but for now I’ll
Vote Scuba_Ben
Based on the ‘vanilla is a weak claim’ comment. I don’t think Suburban Plankton keeping a vote on peeker for a bit is something scum would do and I don’t have any other leads to vote for.
This is what I intended with my analogy except you weren’t interested in discussing tactics for a hypothetical traveler, you were only interested in Suburban and Idle’s travel plans.
Again, it’s one thing to ask everyone’s thoughts/stance on traveling and then compare their actions later in the game, it’s a whole different thing to ask two players what their specific travel plans are IMHO:
Just lynch me now. I’m in no shape to play mafia games.
For those who are saying that fishing for travel plans is scummy – what’s the motivation? I can think of a town one – pin down what is effectively a mod-enforced soft claim. I’m having a hard time thinking why the scum would care.
Then again I’m having a hard time thinking at all.