Oy vey. I make one single lame-ass attempt at a flirt and the guy thinks I’m a fundie! 
But isn’t it some comfort to know that men (and I use that word in it’s broadest possible sense) like INTERPRETER will always get the women they deserve?
Oh, lucie . . . lucie lucie lucie. Please don’t use that word when referring to INTERPRETER . . . I much prefer (though it is an insult to, among other people, my brother) boys, or better, jerks, assholes, morons, cretins, fuckheads, or best yet, members of penis-envy anonymous.
And I also forgot:
What woman deserves someone with the opinions of INT? I’m inclined to think that, based on what I know of INT and his beliefs, he deserves the kind of woman who pops or melts when she’s been stuck on the radiator too long.
I hate to bust anyone’s bubble but I’ve run across a few fellows with exactly the same attitude as this guy. Not that I’ve ever been personally involved with one of these defective clones. It’s also been my experience that his type bares a huge responsibility for the failure of their own marriages. They expect their women to work, take care of the home, raise the children, stay perky, well-groomed, and desirable whilst they let their own selves deteriorate. These are the type that contribute a paycheck but do little more for their wives and families than occupy space in a large recliner chair with one hand on the remote and the other down their pants. (No doubt trying to stimulate their brains.)
He may have been married a couple of times but I seriously doubt if he stayed that way very long. Wouldn’t be suprised either if he has a couple of children out there that he ignores and refuses to help support. And if he does it’s through garnishment and a lot of bellyaching on his part about his castrating bitch of an ex-wife. (Might not be a bad idea.)
Wouldn’t suprise me one bit to find out that he’s got more hair on his back than King Kong, wears a Speedo bathing suit with 40 lbs of gold chain and drives a convertable, or he’s 5’4", pasty white like the Pillsbury doughboy, twice as rotund, and wears a comb over with plaid sports jackets and paisley ties.
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And yet, this wouldn’t matter so much to people if he had a nice personality, but since he isn’t he has to be stereotypically physically repulsive?
I would like to think we do not all think this way. I know it was a joke. I know people who fit your description. They’re lovely people. Solid personalities. What’s wrong with someone you’re not physically attracted to?
Sorry, iampunha, but I’ve known women who put up with that kind of nonsense and will even defend it. They are the ones who deserve to be hoist with that particular petard. They are the ones I meant. Not some poor, naive kid with no self-esteem, who are unfortunately the ones frequently victimized by vicious jerk assholes. I ought to have been more specific.
I think people just find it comforting to find the ugliness on the inside reflected on the outside. Unfortunately, book and its cover and all that, sometimes the most beautiful people are vapid, self-centered or monsters. There is no label for easy identification.
The idea that I espoused was actually as a result of group discussions held at a Social Sciences seminar I attended early in January. The philosophy underlining the fact that, biologically and sociologically, men and women are quite different in their wants, needs and expectations of life is certainly not new. If I have struck a dissonant chord with my comments, then it is a strong indication that a certain truth might not be so thinly disguised as you might think. I freely admit subscribing to the contentions arising from that session, as outlined in my original post.
The mechanics of the group discussion we had in relation to that very topic are strangely akin to what has occurred here. The class unanimously participated in a unified discussion centering around many themes, one of which was - and I paraphrase here - “that no matter how socially advanced a society in which men and women are enveloped in, from an instinctual and biological standpoint, women will always behave the same as will men.” Again, bear in mind that I am paraphrasing. The results yielded what I reported in my posting on a more sedate and opinionated forum. I should add that once the session had ended, the group broke off into small social circles where vitriolic comments ruled the evening. As has seemed to have occurred in this instance.
As for Milossarian’s decision to bring my posting to the pit, - I consider it a cowardly act on his part. Hiding behind the pretense of indignation to bring a posting in the pit, where orneriness reigns, belies his inability to dispassionately and objectively critique a contentious issue in a sensible arena.
This being said, I issue a friendly challenge to Milossarian to get back to the original forum and resume the debate from whence it originally stemmed. If he prefers to waddle in the land of deleted expletives, waffling on the sidelines as streams of juvenile drivel fly by, then that is his prerogative and also…his shortcoming.
For the able posters of the pit, I have this advice: your wish to contribute to the decline of civility and the rise of bad manners is admirable. If you want to “wax mean”, then so be it! However, you’d express yourselves much better if you were in greater control of your emotions. People who don’t give way to their primal urge to “bash”, I find, are often more calm, rational, mature individuals who control their anger and deal with daily annoyances.
You’ll earn respect and even better yourselves as well as your environment by foregoing vulgarity and profanity and, thus, not contribute to the deterioration of civility, good manners, the English language and common decency. Don’t add to the slop. It is such a common trait.
If being rude might curb your frustrations for a while, that’s fine; but if you are determined to remain crass in your comments, try to determine why you need to let the filth fly. Maybe you have a tendency to procrastinate. Maybe you’re in the wrong line of work. Maybe you just need to simplify your life. These are large matters to consider but any one of them can contribute to the tension that causes you to post in such a way.
If small things - rush hour traffic, the baby crying, the bills not paid, a bad internet connection - are the causes of your vulgar stance, you might just need to be more positive.
The best way to clean up your group bash image is to change your attitude and to accept life’s aggravations, to find the humor in many of your daily annoyances and to cope and not cuss. The side benefit is greater peace of mind, I say!
Again, Milossarian, I reiterate my challenge to a civil debate on a contentious issue. If you prefer responding to my post in the pit, then I will have witnessed and understood the obvious.
They’re coming to take me away, ha ha…
My husband of 13 years has an extremely hairy back, (which I find quite attractive, BTW), and is a loving, supportive husband who thinks I’m beautiful and sexy no matter what I happen to look like on the outside.
One of my oldest family friends was about 5’3", pale, rotund, and balding, and he was a sweet, wonderful, intelligent man whom I and many, many family and friends (including his wife of 60+ years) deeply mourned when he died last month.
INTERPRETER is a moron, but refuting his posts with ignorant stereotypes of your own does not help further the cause.
Hmm. I strongly suggest that you go back to class, INTERPRETER. This time, try a seminar led and attended by bright, well-adjusted people over the age of fifteen.
I am willing to grant that there are, in fact, undeniable biological needs and urges among humans. However, they are not universal and thus, your sweeping generalizations are asinine. Also, some have accepted the fact that the evolution of human society and culture requires that we not be slaves to biology. There are many that are able to understand their baser needs and still function as decent members of society after evaluating the practicality of acting upon those baser desires. If you could figure out how to do this yourself, you would be a much happier, healthier individual.
Now, Milo brought your punk ass here for a reason. Obviously, there are ideas that he wishes to express to you that are suited to this forum and no other. This is certainly not an act of cowardice, but one of direct honesty and propriety. If you lack the capacity to play rough and back up your bullshit, you’d best keep your childish ideas to yourself.
Lucretia: Thank you, from all of us men who have been made to feel ugly because we are hairy. My wife loves mine, too.
INTERPRETER, perhaps you should read the OP. Then read your reply and inquire whether anything therein is even remotely relevant. Your gushy post consisted of just two points of content, neither of which clashed with Milossarian’s response.
A) A reiteration of your original position and its context.
B) An impassioned defense of civility.
Both of which are bullshit. In the first instance, I don’t think anyone really cares whether you mimic these fatuous notions from a sociology seminar or from Seventeen Magazine. In his response in the Pit, Milossarian replied to all of your contentions in some detail with merited vitriol. You presented your opinions, and he refuted them. If you wish to continue the discussion, then I have a friendly challenge for you: post something relevant. Quote Milossarian, deal with his own logic.
Your second item is even more irrelevant. Only a real putz takes such a sanctimonious, preachy stance in front of people he doesn’t even know. So save your protreptic pus for your friends, 'cause we don’t want any. Don’t talk to us about life’s little aggravations. Just back up your bullshit.
And for the record, people who split infinitives and use expressions like “from whence” should not be correcting others on their English usage. Maybe they shouldn’t be giving advice at all.
QED
MR
CAPITALLETTERSTROLL:
I had enough deference for the Great Debates forum to call you on your idiocy here. Your “logic” has already been shot full of more holes than a Stop sign on an unpaved Alabama road in GD.
Do you really think your pseudo-intellectual writing style has anyone fooled? You said “from whence” and talked about civility. What a deep thinker. What a gentleman.
You’re a misogynist and a narcissist. Good thing for the latter, too. I can’t imagine you’d be getting much action from anybody else.
Your bile isn’t worthy of civility. And as has been pointed out, I think I responded to your “points.”
Now go stick your head in a blender and hit the ‘puree’ button.
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Maeglin: There’s nothing wrong with splitting an infinitive. That’s a Latin holdover we would, as English speakers, do well to rescind. Besides, " . . . boldly to go where no man has gone before . . ." would have sounded really dumb. 
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/059.html
http://public.logica.com/~stepneys/cyc/s/split.htm
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~hl5s/fumbled.html#pronoun
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I don’t think so. The Anglo-Saxon verb does not have an auxiliary “to,” nor the Middle English, nor the German. It is somewhat acceptable to split infinitives in colloquial speech, but it is still improper to do so in writing. If we were not so accustomed to hearing “to boldly go” then its alternatives would not sound so unseemly.
MR
INTERPRETER…
Welcome back, ser.
Good grief. This again? This guy is like a cockroach - he just keeps coming back!
I remember Mr. Serlin way back last Fall. He has taken on several different names since then, but we usually “out” him soon enough. His attitude and writing style are easy to detect. As soon as I read the crack about the wife’s waistline, I KNEW it was him. (He’s got a real thing about weight in women. That, and many other warped “issues”.)
Is anyone fooled by this anymore? Anyone who has been here a while will usually recognize him pretty quickly.
Come on, Mark. Make it more of a challenge for us. Try not to be an asshole…if you try, it might take longer for us to figure out who you are when you come back with the next bogus username. I dare ya to try to not be an asshole!
I use a physical reference because that is part of his philosophy, not necessarily mine. And yes, I’ve known a couple of very hairy guys. Last boyfriend was covered with fine black hair and I loved it, his tummy reminded me of an otters pelt. Forgive me if I insulted anyone’s sensibilities. Actually the only thing I find terribly ridiculous in my descriptions is the comb-over thing. Nothing at all wrong with a man going bald. Hair is nice but it’s just hair after all. Comb-overs look silly. Point I was making is that it’s silly to expect your woman to look like Cindy Crawford if you don’t. It’s all just packaging. Feeling good about yourself and taking pride in your appearance should be all the attention you need to devote to your outside wrapper.
Look the guy has a point about some of this, it sucks, but it’s true. You do not see society putting nearly as much pressure on men to look youthful and sexy as it does women. Men are allowed to be “distinguished” and “ruggedly handsome” (read: wrinkled) while women often become “matronly”. Women are the vast majority of plastic surgery recipents, guess it’s cause they want to look young and beautiful for their cocker spainiels or their house cat. Duh! Women who do not fit into anything a size 8 or less are considered fat, not just by society but often by their own selves! Wonder where they got this silly notion? It’s pathetic but it’s everywhere, you can’t escape this attitude.
Is this guy shallow, selfish and egotistical, you bet ya! Would I be interested in mental defective like him, nope! But you’d be suprised how many women would be. I’ve seen it. Know women who put up with this kind of attitude, but how can you blame some of them when it’s all around them, everywhere? Some people aren’t free thinkers, they buy into this crap.
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