Is Ariel Sharon a war criminal?

I imagine we’ll have a tough time keeping this out of GD, but let’s try. Some Islamic groups were protesting against Israel on campus today. I didn’t stop to listen long, but I did hear one of the speakers making certain accusations against Sharon. He was reading a document in the first person, making it sound as though it was something Sharon had written or said himself, but it may have been for effect.

Anyway, the claims were that Sharon had specifically ordered soldiers to rape Palestinian women, and that he derived great joy from doing so. I vaguely recall Russia being mentioned, but I don’t think there are many Palestinians are in Russia, and I can’t imagine why an Israeli would ever be conducting military operations there, so I may be mistaken.

To cut to the chase: is there any hardcore evidence that Sharon has committed major wartime atrocities and human rights violations?

I don’t think you’re going to be able to keep this out of GD, honestly. I’ll try to give you a brief summary of events that may be why Sharon was labeled a “war criminal”, but please remember, this is probably pretty inaccurate. I’m doing it from memory and have my own biases, of course, like most people.

A number of Palestinian refugees moved into Lebanon after they left Israel, and set up refugee camps there. The camps were also headquarters for Palestinian terrorist groups, like the PLO, who would use them as bases from which they launched raids into Israel. The Israelis, as you might imagine, didn’t like this, so they invaded southern Lebanon.

First the Palestinians, then the Israelis exacerbated an already tense political situation. Lebanon is split almost evenly between Muslims and Christians, and they don’t much like each other, due partly to the Ottomans favoring the Muslims during their rule over Lebanon, and then the French favoring the Christians. The Lebanese worked out a compromise government, involving quotas of Muslims and Christians, mandating that the President be Christian, the Vice President be Muslim, etc. This worked about as well as you might expect, and Lebanese politics became very fragmented, with individual parties having their own militias, and violence becoming an accepted political tool.

Anyway, what happened was, a Muslim group assassinated the (Christian) President during a military parade. The assassins, suspected assassins, and people who were or could have been involved in the assassination fled into the Palestinian refugee camps, which were in the Israeli occupied zone. At this point, the ex-President’s militia said to the Israeli Army, “Look, these people killed the president and we know they’re in the camps. Let us go in and get them.” The Israelis, for a combination of reasons (They had good relationships with the Christian millitias, they wanted to embarrass the Palestinians, they didn’t like the idea of assassins running around free, etc.) said yes. The militia then went into the camps and started massacring people.

This incident led to an outcry among the Israeli public, and the Israeli government began an investigation. The panel pinned blame on and officially criticized a number of Israeli generals and government officials, including Sharon, who was Minister of Defense, saying basically, “How idiotic do you people have to be to let vengeful people with weaponry, who don’t like Muslims into a mainly Muslim refugee camp where they suspect the people who killed their leader are hiding?”

The site Indict Sharon gives an explanation of the war crimes charges against that guy.

See in particular The case against the accused

It’s hardly a war crime but I remember vividly watching the news on Zairian TV in the early 1980s when Sharon was defense minister of Israel and seeing him pass out uzis in plastic bags to Mobutu’s cabinet. It was one thing for Israel to support the Mobutu government with agricultural and security assistance (they used to help out a number of African despots with their personal security) but to see Sharon personally hand out such lethal weapons to such a bunch of scoundrels was stomach turrning. As I siad, it’s no war crime but definitely caused me to have a low opinon of Sharon’s morals.

Yeah, yeah, Sharon is a “war criminal” and child-molester, and Yassir Arafat (the man who ORIGINATED terrorism and who still uses terrorism as a political tool, the man who thinks it’s great publicity to put children on the front lines) is a martyr and war hero and saint.

There’s also this Counterpunch document on Sharon’s crimes

I don’t believe that. Do you have evidence?

C K Dexter Haven, criticising Sharon does not equate to praising Arafat. The question is about Sharon. Arafat wasn’t even mentioned. So why did you post this comment?

He wanted Manhattan to slap him down.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf11.html
Israeli troops found clear documentation of senior Palestinian
involvement in terrorism. In one document, Arafat personally authorized payment to senior terrorist commanders of the Tanzim and Force 17 organizations who commanded attacks such as the shooting at a bar mitzvah reception in Hadera. In another document, Arafat’s quartermaster received requests for funds for the components of bombs carried by suicide bombers.

See the actual documents on the Israel Defense Forces’ website:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/192.asp
http://www.idf.il/english/announcements/2002/april/eng.doc

After searching Arafat’s personal Ramallah compound, Israel found
millions of dollars of counterfeit Israeli and American currency. Is there any other world leader who would go so far as to hold counterfeit American currency in his office?!

barbitu8, your comments appear to address only CKDH’'s parenthetical remark, not CKDH’s statement, “…and Yassir Arafat (…) is a martyr and war hero and saint” which is what I questioned. Take a deep breath and try again?

I’ll take a deep breath — OK, did that — and try again, but what am I supposed to try? CKDH was obviously being facetious. Do you want me to try to find evidence supporting that Arafat is a martyr, war hero, and saint? Well, he can’t be a martyr. Unfortunately, he is still alive. He can’t be a war hero locked up in his room. And he can’t be a saint because, again, he is still alive. :slight_smile: So what is it you want me to do?

Um, Lebanon has a President and a Prime Minister. Those are the main two offices of which one must be filled by a Muslim and the other by a Christian.

Are these documents open for examination? If not, why not? Is there any reason why we shouldn’t believe it’s a Mossad smearing campaign? Isn’t it a bit too convenient that this “evidence” turned up after Sharon started mouthing off Arafat?

Why did this thread all of a sudden made an about turn?

I heard on the news that the Israelis gave copies of those documents to news organizations and will make the originals available. I haven’t heard anything about these documents since so I’m figuring the news media hasn’t received them or they’re considered questionable.

It makes a lot of sense that they would come from Arafat’s own filing cabinet, and that Israel would not have access to them until they came into the man’s office and came face to face with every document he has lying around.

Israel’s in the position right now of having to justify the severity of its retaliations, so if they find something in their path that supports their own actions, there’s no reason they should hide it.

Of course it doesn’t mean the outside media should take it at face value either; I’m just saying that it’s just completely logical that if this evidence were to emerge at all, that it would emerge right now.

Let’s set aside the pissing match and return to the OP. So far, noone has denied that Sharon ordered the massacre in the refuge camp. Not even C K Dexter, who turned this into a GD in the first place (and considering that you’re an administrator, Dex, I would have thought that you’d be the last person to ignore the forum’s rules.) Anyways, the fact that Sharon has committed war crimes does not in any way mean that Arafat did not. Frankly, I think that they’re both barbarians who should be taken out to Mount MCKinley, Alaska, and left at the top stark naken on December 25 (as a Christmans present to t5he rest of the world :smiley: )

Damn. Screwed up the last couple of lines, but my comment stands. Sharon and Arafat are both obstacles to peace who need to be removed.

Sorry. Got the titles wrong. I’m embarrassed now. :slight_smile:

I apologize for using sarcasm.

Manny, don’t hit me again.