Is being short (and male) so terrible?

I answered the tall man thread, and although I thought being slightly shorter would be slightly better, I wouldn’t make the change if offered. What about you?

(At 6’ 3.5" I can normally buy standard clothes).

I was acquainted with a guy who received an inheritance and had that done ~ 20 years ago.

At 6’3" and living in Thailand, I often had to wait until a visit to the US to buy clothes, or have them tailor-made (not all that expensive in Thailand but troublesome, especially for casual clothing). It got better over the years though, but the selection is still limited.

ISTM that up until 50 years ago, the “richer” part was easy. A lot of women didn’t work outside the house and if they did, they were paid less.

The older part is also fairly easy if you’re NBM. Men compete with other men for the women…so he might like to do some military service, start a first job, college, whatever, to enhance their competitiveness.

But the height thing…if you don’t want to get too crazy, elevator shoes could help.

Then there’s what @Toxylon mentions:

“Look at that loser who only dates 24 year old Victoria’s Secret models.”
– No one ever

I see this kind of comment all the time, but believe me, most tall men aren’t likely to become president either. There is a glass floor that most of us are under, that we can never rise above, even for tall guys: being tall isn’t a magic wand for hot dates and a large salary.

??? Only because we aren’t rude enough to say out loud what we are all thinking: that he dates young inexperienced women because he can’t hold a relationship on any other basis.

If you hold on till the end, he charts the cute vs rich matrix for women evaluating men. Height isn’t explicitly mentioned, although being hot or cute are. NSFW?

Note what those sets of requirements for women really mean. If the man in a marriage is always older than the woman, makes more money that the woman, and is taller than the woman, he will have some sort of dominance in the relationship. When she makes any suggestion, he can say that he knows more about life because he has more experience. If she wants to do something that would cost them a lot of money, he can say that he’s the one that would pay for it. If there was an argument that turned physical, he would be more likely to win. These sorts of requirement are about him being the dominant one. That’s what ought to be explained to anyone who seriously believes these ideas.

Note what those sets of requirements for women really mean. If the man in a marriage is always older than the women, makes more money than the woman, and is taller than the women, he will have some sort of responsibility in the relationship. He’s less likely to kill himself doing something stupid, as young men do. He can support her kids better, can defend them and her better, and is a healthy height indicating good health and genetic basis.

I know dwarfs are never getting elected president, but short(er) men don’t seem to be at a disadvantage to taller opponents (although still in the context of both being tall.)

Bush was shorter than Gore, and he won.
Bush was shorter than Kerry, and he won.
Obama was shorter than Romney, and he won.
Biden is shorter than Trump, and he won.

I bet that if you were 4’11" then, you’re 4’10" now - unless you’re even shorter. I’ve lost more than an inch.

I have the book Ralph Keyes wrote after this article, The Height of Your Life. The Kirkus Review writer apparently wasn’t a reader of Playboy.

This might have made an innocuous diversion as a well-edited magazine article; but as nearly three hundred pages of hype about height, it doesn’t make it at all.

Made it for me.

Wow. My father was ten years older than my mother, and the only earner for the first maybe couple of years they were married after I was born, and then my brother. Then she went back to finish her PhD, and earned as a graduate instructor. By the time my mother took her first real faculty position, my father was a full professor, and tenured.

But I know he would never have dared say any of those things to him. She ruled the family. He did whatever she said.

Neither of them ever hit the other, but my mother threw things a lot, and my father never did; I remember one time when they had a fight at dinner, she dumped his plate onto his lap.

She absolutely ruled.

She was an inch shorter than he was. He was 5’9, and she was 5’8. That means he was just average for a man-- not really short, but definitely not tall; she, on the other hand, was pretty tall for a woman. I wonder how much that affected their self-images, and their personalities? She was forceful with everyone, and almost always got her way, and her way; he was somewhat meek.

Why should the man be the one who has the responsibility in the relationship?

Amen! There are “Big & Tall” stores everywhere, but there’s no such thing as the “Short & Slim” store for men. Not even “Boys Husky” fits.

I learned a long time ago how to hem my own pants. It actually makes pants purchasing quite easy; I like 'em 90s hip-hop baggy anyways, so I just buy whatever fits in the waist and hem the legs to fit. I have a sewing machine specifically for this purpose. I don’t do a professional job of it, but what I do works; looks okay from the outside and holds up to regular machine washing.

?? Wouldn’t clothes from the teen boys department fit if you’re proportionate everywhere? Or is it a question of appropriate styles? My nephews are 4’10" - 6’ tall and all wear clothes that fit and would be appropriate for someone older. I get that if you’re overweight it’s hard to find anything that fits for any shorter height, but you specified “Short & Slim”.

They’re just cut different. I don’t know how exactly, but somehow it just doesn’t work. I suppose I just occupy a strange space somewhere in between teen boys and the smallest men’s clothes in standard sizes.

Oh, makes sense. Teen boys tend to be gangly. Probably the same way teen girls clothes would never fit me, despite being hwp.

No reason. Plenty of women date and have children with irresponsible men.

I think what’s wrong is the distance between the top of the pants and the crotch. In boy’s sizes it’s too short. If I wore them they’d look like extreme low-rise pants, and I’m just not into that. I like to wear pants a little low, but not in that way.