Or in other words, not hot.
When you’re a woman, no matter who you are, no matter what capacity you’re functioning in, it’ll still always boil down to “Ya, but is she hot?”
She doesn’t look bad for her age. I think she looks better with long hair, as I think all women do, she also looks a lot better when she smiles.
I think you mean she **was **a flilf or is a sosilf, but anything else would be too generous.
Yeah…but are you hot? 
This was especially true for Sarah Palin.
And for the women checking out the guys, will you say it’s different or he same?
There’s no way Hillary can be considered hot. You guys that think so must be desperate.
Of course it’s different. Are you kidding me? When a man SOS testifies before Congress, nobody goes “Yes, but how did he look?”
I meant that women check out guys the same way – “Mmm mmm mmm, he is hot!”
(or not, as the case may be)
Not the secretary of state, no. No, we don’t. Glad to clear that up for you.
Yes, people check each other out. Not a big deal and not my point. What’s unnerving is when it’s woman, no matter who we’re talking about, no matter what the context, everything will always boil down to what she looks like. Always. She could be giving the world’s most boring lecture about microclimates, and half of the discussion would center around her appearance. If that same professor were male, giving the same boring-as-shit lecture, his looks wouldn’t come up at all. At all. Hillary Fucking Clinton is testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about alleged failures re: the Benghazi attacks, and there are people who consider themselves intelligent adults talking about what she looks like. Number of times I’ve heard any discussion at all about whether Colin Powell was hot: zero. Number of times this has happened for Clinton and Rice: one thousand bajillion.
Yes, I know complaining about this is like complaining that grass is green, but the fact that this is persistent and pervasive, and that such nonsense will unfortunately long outlive me, doesn’t make it any less irritating and it doesn’t make it any less wrong. I think this is my cue to go to bed. I’m getting fussy.
Yeah, okay, I get the point now. Guess I was being a little slow. I do agree with you. And I’m guilty of it as well.
You’re making the mistake of thinking it always boils down to it. Is it something that very often comes up? Yes. But as a purely separate thing and isn’t anywhere near the core of the issue, let alone always, and to think it is puts you in no better of a position than the people you who you attribute such qualities to.
Allow me to introduce you to Frances Folsom Cleveland the First Lady so hot that the President had to take four years off to concentrate on tapping that sweet ass before he could return his attention to the Presidency.
Once, in 1979, for 20 minutes.
I have no hesitation, all partisanship aside, in declaring that Sarah Palin was one of the Top Two sexiest Vice Presidential candidates in U.S. history (you all remember Geraldine Ferraro, right?). There’s a steep dropoff after that.
As for sexy First Ladies, I think the all-time-champeen is still Jackie Kennedy:
She looked hot in a milfy sort of way for the first dozen or so photos. She sure beats Tipper Gore all to hell in the looks department. Photos 13,14,15 not so hot, and photo 16 … like Ayn Rand. Yeck. That was 2000. Some of the later photos are okay, but she’s definitely showing her age the past several years. Age catches up with everyone sooner or later though.
… because they were the only two female vice presidential candidates, right? Sarah Palin is in no way hot, and I’m not just sayin’ because I disagree with her politics. Her blank stare and vocal intonations are abysmal. Her daughter is alright though.
No, then again, I’m not Hillary’s biggest fan anyway…
Honestly I do flip flop in awarding the title to either Jackie Kennedy or Frances Cleveland (though I wouldn’t mind watching them fight over it), but since Jackie is so often the go-to answer I like to make sure Frances gets a mention.
We don’t have any 1960’s quality photography of Frances during her First Lady years. If we did have higher quality photos it would be easier to compare her to Jackie.
Grace Coolidge is at least in the Top Five, I think: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Grace_Coolidge_Official_portrait.jpg
