I think he considers the electoral college a technicality.
Its one thing to call foul when gerrymandered congressional districts result in 90% Republican delegations coming out of purple states. Its another thing to call foul on the electoral college.
…repeating a couple of oft-repeated talking points does not make Clinton a weak candidate.
Considering that Donald Trump is going to be President of the most powerful fucking country in the history of the world no I don’t think its an extraordinary claim at all.
It is. You better get with the programme, figure out why it happened, and make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Yes he was.
Thanks for conceding you become a flaming moron when discussing Hillary.
So the fuck what?
So the fuck what?
Oh boo fucking hoo.
I never claimed Trump would cheat. I stated he wouldn’t play fair. I stated he wouldn’t make it easy. If the Clinton campaign getting a single debate question early was so problematic for Bernie that he lost the primary then he was on track to get destroyed by Trump.
And yet you claim this nobody: with a face for radio and a voice made for print, with the charisma of a ready for retirement high school history teacher was the right person to take on a Republican candidate who had steam-rolled over his opposition and was riding high on a wave of populism.
You’ve just explained why Bernie didn’t get the nomination and why Hillary was a stronger candidate than Bernie.
Utter bullshit.
We are all aware of your particular obsession.
“You take a step back: throw your emotions aside and figure out how he did it.”
Trump didn’t have a hand in who he ran against. But well done in not putting your emotions aside just so you can attack Hillary yet again.
Hillary won’t ever run as a Republican.
I think you will be happy to hear that Hillary will never get the nomination ever again.
No-one is sweeping this under the rug. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If we could turn back time then maybe Bernie would get the nomination, would go up against Trump, would loose, and you would be here in the pit ranting about what a weak candidate Bernie is.
But it wasn’t the primary problem this time around.
It took more than a populist streak to win the bunch of rust belt votes.
I actually think that Biden would have won as well. But Biden didn’t run.
Not everyone wants to be President.
Are polls the only way to form an opinion?
Taking a cursory look at your cites they are all popular vote polls. So thank you for taking the time to back up your assertions. But as I said from the outset: a poll on the popular vote is irrelevant.
Wah wah wah wah.
I’m not fucking wrong. Winning the popular vote doesn’t win you the election. We don’t know if Bernie’s populist appeal would have pushed him past Trumps populist appeal. We don’t know what sort of attacks Bernie would have had to endure if he had become the nominee.
Of course they are valid. But Bernie wasn’t the candidate. The Trump campaign would have played as dirty with Bernie as they did with Hillary. They already had plenty of dirt they could have used against him and they would have painted him as a “dirty socialist”. And we have no idea what impact those attacks would have had (especially in the rust belt where you said he would have been more popular.)
Oh get over yourself. You are just a random dude on the internet who spends too much time on message boards debating meaningless things with complete strangers. Just like me.
And we can’t.
And unless you’ve got a “parallel dimension hopping machine” we can’t actually know what would have happened.
“Not really?”
Sure dude, whatever.
Clinton polled better than Trump. Trump won the election. What do you think that means?
Says the guy who claims “anyone could have beaten Trump except Hillary.”
So you may claim.
But his supporters (and in turn his campaign) have that arrogance: in bucketloads. Case in point: you.
Why does it surprise you that I think Clinton made big fucking mistakes in her campaign? Maybe the “side” you think I’m on isn’t the actual side I’m actually on.
I call it “Clinton Derangement Syndrome.”
Thank you for your permission.
Hillary won the democratic primaries. She was a former US Senator and was the former Secretary of State. More people in the United States wanted her to be president than Trump. Her campaign made some stupid strategic blunders that cost her important votes.
But we can’t underestimate what Trump did to win the election as well. And you are so arrogant you have completely dismissed everything Trump did to not only win the Republican nomination, but to become President of the United States. And it is that sort of arrogance that will get Trump elected again in four years time.
Good candidates loose elections all the time.
You are claiming that Bernie would have beaten Trump. But you are also claiming that Bernie shouldn’t have given Clinton a run for her money. Are you even listening to what you are saying?
I’m not from the USA.
You miss the point. There was a huge cross-section of people on the left that hated Bernie, hated his supporters and wouldn’t have voted for him in the election. They would either have voted third party or would have stayed home.
Bernie was an “old white man” representing “old white men.” As you have stated several times: he had “populist appeal in the rust belt.”
Bernie was no friend to SJW’s.
And you are completely out of touch with an entire section of the left-leaning vote. Bernie a SJW? You are a fucking riot.
Hillary was better than Bernie. She had a better platform, more experience, better policies an had a better chance of winning. IMHO of course.
That relationship was so “cool” they started the hashtag #berniesoblack .
He may well have done worse than Hillary.
Your cite shows that Drad Dog did not introduce the mob to the discussion: you did.
It is stupid to believe that Trump would be immune to threats of violence against himself or his family.
But Drad Dog didn’t mention the mafia or the mob. You did. You introduced it to the discussion.
I don’t mind criticism of Hillary.
I am pissed off that the people of the United States have let a dangerously incompetent man become the most powerful person in the world. The people of the world have to live with the consequences of your failure.
What is it, exactly that I am apologising for?
Your claim is that “one side of the argument is relying on conspiracy theory to justify their position”. I am not on your “side.” I don’t believe in any conspiracy theory.
Outside of a bit of speculation: who has seriously stated that “the fucking Russian mob is going to blackmail Trump into doing their bidding because he owes them money”? Please quote them exactly.
Says the guy who states with authority that Bernie would have beaten Trump.
I have been paying attention. That is why I am disagreeing with you.
To be fair, Trump does say he has the best brain and words. I suspect he’ll also try to hire a Mentat.
“…and in conclusion, computer today are very important to our American society in many important ways, which is why I did my essay on it.”
<sigh> “Okay, Donald. You can sit down now.”
Why is it your HO that she had more experience than Bernie?
Even if we grant for the sake of argument that being married to a president counts as experience – and I’m in absolutely no hurry to grant that – then Hillary’s experience at being married to a president, and at being a Senator and a Cabinet Secretary, only runs from 1993 to '13; Bernie started serving in Congress in 1991, and is still a Senator right now in 2017, after working for eight years as a mayor.
“We do more than speculate. Conspiracy theorists speculate.”
What do you mean here? You may be doing more than speculating, by bringing Hillary derangement way past the expiration date. I don’t think I am.
Lets’ put it this way:
Your thesis as I understand it is that Hillary was a much worse (bad) candidate than trump is a (bad) president elect. (Other than that what are you investing this time here for tilting at this issue when there is no one pushing back that she was “good”?)
But the whole reason for your whining is that she let donald be elected. So your thesis depends logically on the horribleness of donald being the winner of the contest. Other than that you have no raison here. Except maybe normalizing donald.
If hillary is terrible to the extent that she let donald be elected, that already makes that argument: that he must be worse as pres elect than she was as candidate. You have already ceded the point that you should stfu and move on, but you just don’t know it yet.
First Lady is a job and a rather unique one. I don’t know why this wouldn’t count as political experience.
Sanders, at 26 years in, is an entrenched bureaucrat.
:: shrug ::
…experience is subjective. Do you think Bernie was more experienced? Then I hope you voted for him in the primary.
I am gonna sum it up…
The Republican party was the real abortion this year. They had a clown car full of circus clowns, and not ONE of them could beat the big orange diaper stain in their own primaries. Not only that, but very very VERY few of them actually had the balls to say FUCK NO. Even after Donald Dump insulted damn near every one of them, they still acted lime a bunch of lap dogs.
But somehow it’s all the Dem’s fault…
So let’s talk about the badness of ALL those Repubs who couldn’t even beat a reality show asshole. Let’s talk about who had the WORSE primary.
Yeah right.
Oft repeated? You mean by someone other than me? AFAICT, I’m the sole proponent of the “Hillary lost because she sucks” side of the argument and a shitload of Ready for Hillary types and other loyalists are lining up to make excuses for why she was really awesome despite being beaten by a bobblehead.
Yes, yes it is. I think it is a much more plausible claim that Hillary sucks than that Trump is some political mastermind.
I know why I think it happened. So why don’t you tell me why you think it happened?
All evidence to the contrary.
It may be true but I don’t remember conceding that.
How the fuck does a virtual nobody give a strong (but not as strong as Trump) candidate a run for her money to the point she feels the need to cheat?
So we ended up with a shitty candidate that lost to a bobblehead. It resulted in a Trump presidency.
Perhaps the integrity of your elections aren’t important where you are from. We had a President Nixon that resigned over some cheating. He was also a smart, hard working well informed candidate with privacy issues, a reputation for nastiness, and zero charisma. We just found out that he actually interfered in the peace process to prolong the Vietnam war so he could win in 1968. Character matters and Hillary doesn’t seem to have very much of it.
I thought I just provided you with the polls showing Bernie doing better than Hillary against Trump.
And he was STILL doing better than Hillary against Trump. You are operating under the assumption that Trump was a strong candidate and that Hillary lost because he was so fucking indomitable. He won because Hillary was the suck. Bernie was less suck and he would have beaten him.
That and she cheated.
Wake up. Face reality. Trump isn’t some fucking political juggernaut. He won because he was running against the weakest Democratic candidate in my lifetime.
You mean with the truth?
Of course Trump couldn’t control who he ran against. He just got lucky.
They wouldn’t have her. Right now, nobody would.
No not, just Hillary. A Hillary type. Some party insider that rides to the nomination based on her appeal to the electorate but on her strong political connections to other party insiders, corruption, and boxing out better candidates from the primary.
I can handle losing. I didn’t blame Kerry for losing and I was much more upset about the Re-election of GWB than this one. But, Kerry didn’t cheat to get the nomination or box out better candidates so…
Of course it was.
Really!?!?! So states that have been Democrat for fucking decades goes for Trump. What do you think attracted them to him? I suppose I would toss in that Bernie would also spend more time in the swing states and less time in silicon valley schmoozing venture capitalists to raise an even larger money advantage over the billionaire.
Yes, because he “ran out of time”
ISTM that he (and many others) had gotten boxed out and by the time that Hillary’s weaknesses started to become evident, it was too late for Biden to put together a decent campaign.
Yeah, he might not but Biden definitely did. Heck take almost any of the Democratic candidates that ran in 2008 and I think the principle would apply.
No but shouldn’t it be more than “I’ve got a feeling”
And that is a retarded statement. A change in the popular poll most likely means a change at many state level polls and you are basically saying that this would only affect already blue states when we know that Bernie beat Hillary in at least 2 of the swing states during the primary (michigan and wisconsin). I can’t identify a single blue state he would have lost and I bet he would have taken michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin at the very least, and I bet he would have taken Florida and perhaps Ohio as well.
??? Are you saying that you don’t really think it matters that Hilary is a cheater?
Of course, we can’t state anything with certainty in “what if” scenarios. What we do know is that Bernie beat Hillary by several points in every poll taken in 2016. We know that Bernie beat Hillary in at least a few states of the swing states. We know that Bernie is an acceptable alternative to at least some of the Jill Stein voters. We know that Bernie doesn’t have anywhere Hillary’s negatives.
We also know that Hillary lost by a whisker. You can keep claiming that we can’t know anything with absolute certainty but I think that the only reasonable conclusion is that Bernie would at the very least have lost by less and most probably would have won.
WTF did Trump do to Hillary? Did he release fake emails from Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Did he release fake emails from Podesta and Donna Brazile? Did he release fake transcripts of Hillary’s secret speeches to plutocrats? What exactly do you think was the fatal blow that Donald dealt to Hilary. Hillary died a death of a thousand cuts. Most of them self inflicted.
The difference is I’m looking at this rationally and you’re not. Sometimes anger and outrage is rational. You are twisting and turning to look at things in a way that makes Hillary less culpable for losing a very winnable election.
Yes and that’s a meaningless statement in a debate like this. Its basically saying "well why try to assign blame. Lets just move on with our lives and try again next time. If we don’t assign blame right now, we will never learn.
True, but I can make reasonable inferences based on what we do in fact know.
Her leads against Trump were not large and she trailed him in several polls so she wasn’t really beating him in the polls.
Not all of the polls had her ahead and many of them were within the margin of error. I think polling science can be wrong from time to time but its pretty silly to say we should disregard polls.
Well, I guess I shouldn’t have said “anyone”
I still don’t think that bernie spends his time raising money in silicon valley from venture capitalists as his leads slip in Wisconsin and Michigan.
Well, I thought it was pretty clear that you are on the “don’t blame Hillary” side. Its why I call you a Hillary apologist.
You can call it “potato” if you like but a rose by any other name…
You’re welcome.
Hillary cheated during the Democratic primaries. The New York Democratic party literally cleared the field for her during the primary, they told everyone else to drop out. She did a good job as secretary of state but you don’t need to win elections to be nominated for a cabinet position. Those stupid strategic blunders are part of her suck.
OK, so what did he do right? AFAICT, he threw away the dog whistle to win the primary and he won the general because he was a populist outsider while Hillary was a corrupt, plutocratic insider. I submit that Bernie was also a populist outsider and he wasn’t corrupt.
Yeah, to good candidates, not to fucking bobbleheads like Trump.
Yes. Because Hillary was so weak that even with all the cards stacked in her favor and all the name recognition, she was such a weak candidate that Bernie was able to catch up to her.
Name two blue state that you think Bernie would have lost.
So the guy that literally marched with Martin Luther King Jr. The guy that fought for gay rights before it was cool. So in what way is Bernie no friend of SJWs (not that I give a shit about his relationship with SJWs)
Can you explain?
They were also hash tagging #hillarycheated, so?
Not likely.
Dasmoocher did. Drad dog ran with it. I gave him shit.
He was referencing Dasmoocher’s parody post that referenced the russian mafia.
I don’t know how they do it where you’re from but we have the secret service. Presidents still get assassinated but Presidents have generally been immune from intimidation from threats of physical violence.
really because you seem to be taking it awfully personal.
You mean Hillary’s failure. I’m mad too. Couldn’t you tell?
There were a few posters referencing Trump as a Manchurian candidate. If that’s not conspiracy theory then i don’t know what is. Its like the Democratic version of birtherism.
Drad Dog.
Try harder.
I am doing better than speculating.
I think Trump is a fucking disaster.
Have you missed all the posts from various Hillary apologists saying that Hillary was a good candidate but Trump was just a VERY good candidate?
I am fighting THAT fucking ignorance. The notion that Hillary lost because Trump was THAT FUCKING GOOD. Hillary lost because she sucked. Sucked even more than Trump.
WTF are you talking about? Hillary wasn’t a horrible candidate because she would have been a horrible president. Hillary was a horrible candidate because she can’t win competitive elections.
Then leave me out of it when talking to other people about your disputes with them.
“I was just giving an example of how retarded the apologetics were getting. I will stop referring to your belief that the Russian mob will be able to force Trump into doing things he doesn’t want to do because he owes some Russians money.”
"WTF are you talking about? How did I distort the argument? Drad Dog literally said that it was stupid to believe that Trump would be immune to threats of violence against himself or his family (re:the Russian mafia being able to control Trump)."
Who in this thread is relying on a conspiracy theory? Name them: call the out or shut up about it. Stop arguing against fucking strawmen.
***“Drad Dog was. In fact I think several posters have advanced the notion of Trump as a Manchurian candidate. Have you been paying attention?”
“I gave him shit.”
Outside of a bit of speculation: who has seriously stated that “the fucking Russian mob is going to blackmail Trump into doing their bidding because he owes them money”? Please quote them exactly.
"Drad Dog."
So you admit you are just flinging shit. This is pretty poor if you’re actually trying to argue something. But it doesn’t seem like you are. And you are going to keep citing me over and over as part of whatever it is? C’mon. Engage with the world we’re in.
But the whole reason for your whining is that she let donald be elected. So your thesis depends logically on the horribleness of donald being the winner of the contest. Other than that you have no raison here. Except maybe normalizing donald.
If hillary is terrible to the extent that she let donald be elected, that already makes that argument: that he must be worse as pres elect than she was as candidate. You have already ceded the point that you should stfu and move on, but you just don’t know it yet.
Damuri Ajashi said: ***“WTF are you talking about? Hillary wasn’t a horrible candidate because she would have been a horrible president. Hillary was a horrible candidate because she can’t win competitive elections.”
No. You said she was a horrible candidate because she couldn’t beat trump. You don’t know how she fares speculatively. You are spinning tales again. Cya
If one just keeps repeating that concerns about ties between donald and russia are “conspiracy theories”, then one is choosing to own the unfolding shitstorm now.
Unless one stopped reading the news on November 9. Or has an agenda where curiosity has no place for some reason. Very strange.
Maybe there’s something to my parody theory:
When It Comes To Russia, So Far Donald Trump Mostly Stands Alone
***"WTF are you talking about? How did I distort the argument? Drad Dog literally said that it was stupid to believe that Trump would be immune to threats of violence against himself or his family *** (sic) (re:the Russian mafia being able to control Trump)."(sic)
Of course donnie is just as invulnerable and strong as they need him to be, in their minds.
You know in 1966 some people were kind of worried that Bob Dylan might be such a lightning rod that someone would make an attempt on his life.
Think of the bad karma and rancidness spewed over the last year. If anyone else said the things donnie has said in public, and engaged in such exploits, they would be talking about this all the time. But donnie has magic fairy dust on him, because we don’t need no stinking truth anymore.
Damuri Ajashi said: "Presidents still get assassinated but Presidents have generally been immune from intimidation from threats of physical violence.
You know whenever I am informed of an assassination plot on my life I just say thank god I’m immune from intimidation and threats.
There is one reason that most Dems on the board refuse to acknowledge: many people feel Hillary Clinton was a worse choice than Donald Trump for President. Combine that with our de facto two-party system and you have a significant block of Trump supporters that are not “deplorables”. I get it, 2016 was pick the less terrible of two bad choices and the vitriol thrown around was nothing new but I have never seen a group of people turn a blind eye to their own candidate’s failings as much as the Dems did this year. What that has turned into is a cult of people that are “OMG how come you didn’t vote for Hillary?” and when people try to explain voting against her (and unfortunately that means voting for Trump*) they close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and yell, “NO NO NO YOU’RE WRONG!” as loudly as they can.
Because the Democrats don’t want to admit just how awful and stupid many Americans are. Because only an idiot or scum* would* believe that.
They want to convince themselves that people didn’t know what they were voting for, so they don’t have to admit that millions of Americans knowingly support and admire psychopathy and bigotry.
…oh get over yourself you big baby. You are not the "sole proponent of the “Hillary lost because she sucks” side of the argument.
But lets pretend that you are the “sole proponent” of the “Hillary lost because she sucks” side of the argument. Do you think you are just smarter than everyone else in the world? Are you so arrogant that you have some sort of unique insight that no-one else can see?
Strawman again. I never claimed Trump was some sort of a political mastermind.
I talk about what I think happened here:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19771732#post19771732
I have more thoughts on what happened than this: but I’d much rather put the work into starting a new thread on it in the next few weeks. So if you don’t mind waiting…
And Trump is President Elect. The evidence seems to be on my side, not yours.
Thank you for conceding it may be true.
Cite that Hillary Clinton felt the need to cheat? And please quote her directly thanks.
You seem to be faulting the process: not the candidate.
What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
We aren’t talking about the elections here. We are talking about the Democratic Primaries.
Clinton Derangement Syndrome strikes again. Are you seriously talking about “character” when you are comparing Hillary Clinton with Donald Fucking Trump?
Yes you did. And?
Of course I’m operating under the assumption that Trump was a strong candidate.
Because Trump was a strong candidate.
You have said nothing to convince me otherwise.
Oh get over it you big baby.
Are you 16 years old?
Not the truth. Your obsession.
You just keep thinking Trump “got lucky”. And in four years time he will be President again.
And I think everybody accepted that on the night of the election. And yet here you are, a month later, still can’t let it go.
I agree.
Oh grow up you big baby.
Of course it wasn’t.
Bernie is a “dirty socialist who wants to spend your taxes.” Sure Bernie was a populist candidate. But could he have out-trumped Trump? You think yes, I think no, what we both think doesn’t really matter.
If he ran out of time then that is his fault: no one elses.
Biden should have run if he wanted to run. Running because they considered Clinton to be “weak” would have been a foolish move not only for Biden, but for the people of the United States.
Then he should have ran.
I’ve got more than just “I’ve got a feeling.”
I’m saying that things are infinitely more complicated than you make them out to me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Bernie were the nominee, and if he had have lost the same states that Hillary lost, we would be sitting here lamenting that “I can’t identify a single blue state she would have lost.”
Oh for fucks sakes. It doesn’t matter that Trump grabs them by the pussy. It doesn’t matter that Trump kisses them and doesn’t even ask. It doesn’t matter that Trump doesn’t pay his bills.
After this trainwreck of an election: are you really still obsessed with calling Hillary a cheater? Its no wonder your side lost. Calling Hillary a “cheater” is the same tactic the Trump campaign used. Keep repeating things until they become ingrained in the consciousness’s of their voters. Its how the “deplorables” hurt her campaign so much. It was nothing compared to anything that Trump said and she even apologised for it: but that didn’t matter. So congrats on learning something from Trump.
And I learnt something from the elections as well. Everytime you use the word “cheater” or a variation on the word “cheat” I’m gonna call you a big baby.
Bernie had a fuck load of negatives. You’ve named many of them. I’ve named a few. If Bernie had been the nominee maybe Hillary would have beaten Bernie by several points in every poll taken in 2016 instead. Real life is like that. A butterfly flaps its wings in Siberia and everyone goes and takes a dump.
That isn’t a reasonable conclusion to make at all.
ROFL!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!
You are freaking hilarious.
No I’m not. I’m perfectly happy to say that the Clinton campaign fucked up. But you are obsessed with putting the entirety of the blame for the loss of this election on the shoulders of Hillary Clinton. You are incapable of stepping back and taking a nuanced, unbiased look at what happened.
This election was not “very winnable.” Thats the kind of fucked up arrogance that got the Democrats to loose in the first place.
I’d much rather we weren’t in a “debate”. But you keep saying stupid things. And here you are saying more stupid things.
I run my own business. When things go wrong I don’t look for “someone to blame”. I identify what went wrong and take the appropriate correct action (whatever that may be) both in the short-term and the long term.
What happened this election was a “perfect storm” of a whole lot of things “going wrong” that led to the eventual election of President Trump.
You are ignoring that storm. And putting the blame on a single person. I think that is fucking stupid.
Your inferences aren’t reasonable.
But there was a lead yes?
Clinton polled better than Trump. Trump won the election. I never said we should disregard the polls. I asked you what you thought that this means?
That really doesn’t make you any less arrogant.
Nope. He would have been “labeled a dirty rotten socialist who wanted to raise taxes and put people out of home.”
If that is what you are talking from my posts then you are a giant flaming moron. You can blame Hillary as much as you fucking want too. But blaming Hillary exclusively is just fucking stupid.
You were wrong then and you are fucking wrong now.
You dismiss Trumps victory in the GOP Primaries as an accident of statistics. Yet you put the entirety of the blame the election of Trump to the presidency of the United States on the shoulders of a single person. “Clinton Derangement Syndrome” is accurate.
Oh stop whining you big baby.
A divided bloody war probably wasn’t in the best interests of the Democratic Party back then. So a cleared deck made perfect sense.
“As far as you could tell?” Fucking hell. Is that all you could see?
“Populist outsider” and “corrupt, plutocratic insider” are just labels you’ve assigned based on your perception, not reality. Trump was perceived as in “outsider” because his campaign portrayed it that way. But there is no bigger “insider” than Trump. Trump ran a better propaganda campaign. It successfully managed to fool you.
The Trump campaign tore up the rule-book. He told outright lies at every step of the campaign. He had no hesitation in out-right abusing people and groups. The Trump campaign were complete and utter hypocrites. They did everything that the “experts” would say is the wrong thing to do in a general election. And they won the election.
You might think that Hillary is to blame for this. But the reality is much bigger than that. And every time I think about it it scares me a little bit more. It is much too big to deal with here. But if you ignore what the Trump campaign actually did: if you and people that think like you “win out” to take control of the Democrats then things are going to be a disaster in four years time.
And the Trump campaign would have destroyed Bernie because he was a “dirty stinking socialist who wanted to raise your taxes.” Labels are not a one-way-street.
Your arrogant streak is showing.
You can’t both claim that Bernie was a weak candidate that shouldn’t have caught up to Hillary AND that Bernie was such a strong candidate he would have beaten Trump to the presidency. That doesn’t make any fucking sense at all.
I think he probably would have lost all of the states that Hillary lost.
And here you are throwing a large segment of the left-leaning voter under the bus as well. I know very well you don’t give a shit about his relationships with “SJW’s.” Bernie went on a march? He fought for gay rights? That is the very least any of us could do.
Have a read of the timeline of the Angry Black Lady regarding her views of Sanders.
https://twitter.com/search?q=bernie%20from%3AAngryBlackLady&src=typd
Her views of course are her own, and she is by no means representative of any movement, especially one which is usually used as an insult like “SJW.” But it is obvious that “Bernie being unpopular” is news to you. So at least here is a place you can start.
How about you explain how the fuck Bernie Sanders could be considered a “Social Justice Warrior?”
Oh grow the fuck up you big baby.
In your MOST HUMBLE of opinions.
You put words in his mouth and then gave him shit for something he/she didn’t say. Strawman.
You attributed something to him that he/she didn’t actually say.
They are not “immune.” They don’t have a magic bubble that stops a distant cousin from being kidnapped, threatened with violence and the President intimidated. This is of course very unlikely: but to claim the President is “immune” is simply incorrect.
Well I’m not. And guess what? Next time you ask, you are gonna get the very same answer.
You are mad at the wrong thing.
I am aware that my arguments are well reasoned. Thanks for acknowledging that. But you didn’t answer my question.
If these people exist then go fucking argue with them then. I am not on their fucking side. Stop attributing to me arguments I haven’t made.
I would suspect that what these people actually said is very different to what you claim they have said. You don’t do nuance very well.
And yet you can’t quote him/her saying “the fucking Russian mob is going to blackmail Trump into doing their bidding because he owes them money” because he/she never fucking said it. They are even in this thread pleading with you to stop misrepresenting them and you are ignoring it. Sad.
No need to. I asked you to back up your assertion and you failed miserably.