This covers donnies denial that he knew a mobster that threatened to “castrate him.” It was published before the election.
So he wasn’t scared? Oh yeah, he said that out of “professional courtesy.” That’s it. Just like when sharks don’t eat lawyers.
All people who deal with the mob are vulnerable to something. What kind of idiot doesn’t know that? The mob doesn’t operate through violence if they have other leverage. They are a business after all.
Now that donnie is going to divest into a “blind trust” (do not laugh) he won’t be dealing with US mobsters anymore. How likely is it that they forget him now that he’s the big cheese? They might even have a little insurance somewhere in a vault, just in case. Why wouldn’t they? Do you foresee a lot of mob prosecutions under donnie the T?
You know donnie loves the bad boys. And he likes russians too. It seems like a match made in heaven to me.
Tell me when I get into theory and I’ll stop. I’m not interested in conspiracies. Just due diligence.
This must be where whatchamacallit got his reverse marching orders and talking points from.
But he must not have read it.
I guess if he says “manchurian candidate” enough times he thinks these issues will go away into fairy land?
Conspiracies don’t need to be proposed or true, for there to be something wrong. It usually is just people doing what they do to benefit themselves. Then it gets complicated.
Anybody who thinks the Russians only hacked Hillary and the DNC is delusional. And as for them finding dirt on Trump, this is the guy who wouldn’t release his tax returns.
And not ONE word about how the Rebubs let him get the nomination to begin with. I guess EVERYONE in the R party was a lousy shitty terribad uberfail candidate.
Q: Any stories of interaction with other organized crime “families”, such as Russian mob, Yakuza, Outlaw bike clubs, mexican prison gangs, etc?
A: A million. Spent 20 years in the life. Organized the Russian mob from Brighton beach in the gas business. Best partners I ever had. I taught them how to defraud the government out of hundreds of millions of dollars of tax money back then. They now are deep into medicare fraud, setting up fraudulent medical clinics all over the country. Would take hours to tell you all the stories. Take care.
Dummi, you still hanging in there? Don’t go anywhere. I want you right here.
I had to share this one. See the quoted part. It really sets me to thinking about the whole repeal and replace movement which is happening as we speak. Watch this space for what trumpcare is really going to be about. I predict that all the hillary fairy tales will prove to have been psychological projection by those who would because they could, and dummys let them do it.
Here is one about Putins links to organized crime.
An empty “gotcha” attempt, since you didn’t even specify what your supposed point is.
If you are going with the silly line about how the Democrats lost because they were mean to the poor oppressed bigots, that’s nonsense. This election was won by lies and hatred; not by being nice.
If the Democrats were half as dishonest and nasty as their opponents claim, they would probably have won; this election demonstrates that’s what the American public *wants. *Lies and hatred.
Since people keep bringing it up. The conspiracy theory isn’t that Russia might have been behind the hacked emails hat revealed Hillary’s duplicity, cheating, and corruption. The conspiracy theory is that Trump is somehow a puppet of Russia, because he is a Manchurian candidate or because he will succumb to threats of physical violence by the Russian Mafia or some other cockamamie reason.
You don’t have the secret service and the FBI protecting you. You don’t have the might of the most powerful military in the world at your beck and call.
The notion that some nation or organization could exert this sort of influence over POTUS is fucking retarded. Stop being retarded.
So who else is a proponent of that position on this board?
I’m sure there are others that agree with me o this board. I’m positive that other agree with me out in the real world but no one on this bard seem to be a proponent (I suspect its because most people can’t be bothered to deal with retards unthinking apologists like you).
You’re right. You said that Hillary was a good candidate but Trump was even better.
My position is that Trump was a shitty candidate that only won because he was facing an even shittier candidate. Your position seems to be that Hillary was a good candidate but she los to an even better candidate.
I think there is a lot of evidence that Trump was a shitty candidate. Trump winning says nothing about how good he is, only that he is better than Hillary.
And your explanation for the Hillary loss is not made clear by your post.
I was being polite. I may also be a unicorn.
She actually cheated. Why do we need words from her saying “I felt the need to cheat” You’re being retarded.
The candidate corrupted the process by cheating. You simply cannot wave away the fact that she cheated during the primary. You simply cannot wave away the fact that the Democratic political establishment in the form of the Democratic National Party was pretty focused on nominating Hillary.
So then please explain the “boo fucking hoo” reaction to complaints about Hillary cheating. Or do you think cheating doesn’t compromise the integrity of elections? I’m just trying to figure out which flavor of retard you are.
Oh, you’re THAT flavor of retard. Cheating during primaries doesn’t really count only cheating during the general election does?!?!?!
Hillary Madonna syndrome strikes again. How am I comparing Hillary and Donald in terms of character. I can point to about 300 million Americans with better character than either of them.
And apparently you are immune to facts.
Like I said, you are immune to facts, reason and common sense. There’s no known cure but scientists are working on it as we speak.
Like I said, the integrity of elections don’t seem to matter much where you’re from. I don’t know how you can wave away cheating and say 'get over it" I’m embarrassed for you. I’m embarrassed for your country.
No, I’m old enough to have voted for George H W Bush. How about you?
I’m obsessed with the truth
He got lucky by having Hillary to run against. If he gets lucky again and people like you disregard the lessons of this election and nominate someone like Hillary again, he could win again.
WHAT THE FUCKITY FUCK FUCK!!! You agree the basic premise of everything I have been saying? Then why the fuck have we been exchanging these walls of text???
I wonder how you would feel if it was revealed that Trump got the debate questions in advance. Shame on your for dismissing cheating so flippantly.
I only bring up Bernie because he was an alternative. Certainly not the only one or even the best one. I think any one of a dozen or so prospective Democratic candidates could have beaten trump and a handful would have wiped the floor with him.
What if the russian mafia threatened him and his family with physical violence? Or in this case, what if Hillary’s friends at the DNC told him to back off. Hillary’s fatal flaws were not as visible early on.
I place some of the blame on good candidates like him who had a duty to run but were scared off by the Clinton political machine. I bet Biden has the decency to blame himself a little bit. Heck I bet Hillary even has the decency to blame herself for her loss, only the acolytes of the cult of the Madonna Hillary seem to think she is not to blame.
What you got?
Yes if the results would have been exactly the same then it would be hard to see how anything would have been different. :smack:
The position I am taking is that Bernie beat Hillary in some of those states where Hillary lost by less votes than the attendance at a high school football game.
Only because he as running against Hillary. The pussy grabbing lost him votes just not enough to lose to someone like Hillary.
Yes. Because if she hadn’t cheated, then she may not have lost.
Since when is repeating the truth wrong? Especially when there is a cult of the Madonna Hillary ready to dismiss the significance of cheating (at least in her case).
That’s because you are retarded. I don’t think anyone is going to look at your dismissal of cheating and say “you know what, that retard is totally right, there is nothing wrong with cheating and it has no effect on elections, why do people get mad about cheating anyway?”
The polls were all from before Hillary was then nominee. Right, there is no real cause and effect when the cause if Hillary and the effect is a Trump presidency. :rolleyes:
Of course it is. Hillary lost Wisconisn and Michigan by a whisker. Bernie beat Hillary by more than that whisker in the primary. I think it is almost certain that he would have won those states. I think it is also have won Pennsylvania and Florida. People may not give a shit about cheating where you come from but they care here, the birthplace of modern democracy.
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IOW you got no response.
I’m not saying that nothing else could possibly have been improved but in the end, the one big variable that we could control were nominating our candidate and anything else that we could control was within the candidate’s control. All those fuck ups you’re talking about, that’s just PART of what made her a shitty candidate.
I don’t place all the blame on Hillary. I blame the “Ready for Hillary” crowd. I blame good men and women who could have beaten Trump who didn’t run. I blame the Republicans for not getting their act together and backing Cruz or Rubio or SOMEBODY before Trump an away with the nomination. I blame the pollsters for lulling us into a false sense of security. But in the end, Hillary was the determining variable that lost the election. There is more than one “but for” cause but Hillary was the PRIMARY reason for the Trump presidency.
This election was eminently winnable. We had Republicans defecting to vote for Hillary (someone they have hated for most of their fucking lives). Given a more palatable choice, more people would have crossed over and fewer Democratic leaning folks would have stayed at home.
If you can’t (or won’t) identify the problem its hard to take corrective action.
We can’t do anything about the weather but when we nominated Hillary we all stood out in the rain holding lightning rods.
Sure there were some other factors that didn’t have anything to do with Hillary and that Hillary couldn’t have mitigated that could have made a difference but those factors are overwhelmed by factor that are directly tracable to Hillary or to which Hillary could have responded.
Inferring that Bernie was more popular than Hillary from polls showing Bernie was more popular than Hillary is about as reasonable an inference as you can get.
Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Several polls had her losing and many polls had her winning by less than the margin of error.
Personally, I think this means that people were embarrassed to admit they supported Trump, even to a complete stranger.
And he would STILL have beaten Trump. He would almost certainly have done better than Hillary.
Nothing else made as much of a difference and very little else was within our control. We couldn’t alleviate the underlying concerns that made Trump a more acceptable candidate than Hillary. We could have nominated a more palatable candidate.
This is only anecdotal evidence but I know plenty of Trump voters and more than a handful say they would have voted for Bernie over Trump. Not a single Hillary voter I know would have voted for Trump over Bernie. I don’t think any of them would have even stayed home rather than vote for Bernie.
You quack like a duck.
Perhaps the view wasn’t very good from where you are but the Republican primary was 16 Republicans standing in a circular firing squad with Trump throwing rotten eggs at them from 30 feet away. More of the spectators were cheering the guy throwing eggs than any of the members of the circular firing squad.
You’re method o argument is retarded. You have no real response to the fact that she cheated so like the other “ready for Hillary” apologists you simply wave it away as a factor.
Sure, it worked in the NY senate race so why wouldn’t I work for the US presidency, right? The excuse making is reaching epic levels.
Long time New York politicians were told to drop out of the race or emperil their future political prospects in the state. Hillary won, but perhaps only because Guiliani contracted prostate cancer and had to drop out of the race.
You’re either stupid or ignorant if you think Trump was an insider. The Clintons have the biggest political machine in the Democratic party if not the country outside of POTUS. Trump was such an outsider that there was a “never Trump movement” by Republican insiders. Other than donating to (bribing) politicians on both sides of the aisle, I don’t see how you reach the conclusion that Trump was an insider.
That’s not new to politics. Are you familiar with the “swiftboat veterans for truth”
Are you familiar with McCain’s black lovechild?
Candidates used to distance themselves from this sort of outright lie through the use of outside organizations and proxies but Trump didn’t bother with those subtle distinctions. He just told the lies himself.
THAT’S how bad a candidate Hillary was. People would pick a lying sonofabitch like Trump over someone like Hillary.
Are you saying that the fundamental nature of our country has changed so much that even if presented a choice between a palatable Democratic candidate and Trump, we would have picked Trump because we have changed in some way that makes Trump appealing to us? People swallowed hard to vote for Trump just as they swallowed hard to vote for Hillary.
In later polls people knew what he was and he was still beating Trump by more than hillary in every poll.
Its not arrogance to say that Trump was a weak candidate. I think this might be the crux of our disagreement. I think Trump was a fucking joke. Everyone knew he was a joke but they preferred a lying bastard court jester to Hillary. THAT’S how bad a candidate she is.
Of course I can say that someone could be weaker in a partisan primary and stronger in a general election.
I’m saying that someone with Bernie’s name recognition and resources should not even come close to someone with Hillary’s name recognition and resources. The fact that he could showed how weak she was as a candidate. He had less than 1% of her money until the primary season started.
With the resources of the Democratic party behind him, he would have done much better than Hillary during the general.
Well named two red states (states that voted for Trump in 2016) that he would have won, can you name two blue states that he would have lost?
Did Hillary march with MLK? No, she campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 1964 who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a lynchpin law for civil rights in this country.
Did Hillary support gay marriage or did she support her husband and his Defense of Marriage Act excusing states from honoring the gay marriages performed in other states; and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy in the military telling servicemen and women to stay in the closet?
So if those things are the least any of us can do. Did Hillary meet your standards of “least anyone could do”
Yes, a twitter account is about as anecdotal as you can get. I’m glad SJWs exist. it helps the rest of us liberals differentiate ourselves from the “safety space/trigger word/political correctness as a form of censorship/everybody gets a participation trophy” snowflakes that turn so many people off.
I am using SJW (in this case) as a non-perjorative term for someone ho actually pursues social justice. He might also be a triggerword/safety space/snowflake but I don’t have evidence of that.
You’re retarded. Cheating matters here in the birthplace of modern democray, even if it doesn’t matter where you’re from.
of course he did. Why do you think he said “thanks moocher” I think it was pretty clear to everybody that he was talking about the Russian mob and your intentional ignorane on this issue is whittling away your almost non-existent credibility.
This is was we call quibbling pettifoggery. It has nothing to do with the initial post where Drad Dog implies that Trump would be a craven puppet of Russian interests because the Russian mob would threaten him with physical violence. You’re being retarded. I guess its just retard solidarity.
You’re quacking like a duck.
Hillary is not a thing. She is a person. A smart, competent, hard-working person who also happens to be horrible candidate that is responsible for the rump presidency.
Wait so you don’t know what apologetics means and ask me what you are apologizing for so I link you to the term apologetics and you take that as a compliment and demand to know what I think you are apologizing for? Move over Elvis, there’s a new retard in town.
You are still quacking like a duck. You are a Hillary apologist. I haven’t heard any conspiracy theory from you but we were talking about drad dog and people who are using Russia in their apologetics. I don’t think you are blaming foreign powers or some conspiracy by the hackers of the world or by the FBI for Hillary’s loss. I think our disagreement lies in the fact that I think that Hillary was a horribly bad candidate and you think that Hillary was a good candidate but Trump was an exceptionally good one.
Dumdum you’re back! So you’re going to die on that hill.
I’m also not being threatened with assassination either. It was an illustration of your lack of thought on these matters. It had a point that still stands after your dribble.
I guess donnie could nuke someone who wished him harm? Send in the marines? That always works well with non-state actors who have no fixed address. Brilliant, dimdum. You’re right on form today.
In addition to this and most importantly of all: Right now donnie is feuding with the CIA before he even gets into office! He’s tweeting at them, trying to tear down their cred, when he needs them just as much as we do. Have you been looking at the big tv box?
The FBI!!?: Well here’s something you apparently don’t know because you are ignorant or else have the retention of a goldfish:
You are saying that presidents are immune to threats of blackmail. Wrong again dimwit. Maybe you think donnie is cleaner than that dirty minded JFK. Hold on to that thought. You will have it all to yourself.
Just throw the word retarded at everything you can’t understand. Someday it’ll work or you’ll die of old age, one.
I thought you were helping me. (I don’t use emojis)
I’m just not going to let this debate be overton windowed over into republican talking points, which is really what is happening. I was very sincere in inviting anyone to tell me what I said that’s not reasonably inferred given an opaque administration with a grifter and balloon animal crook coming into power.
But I’m tired of seeing my name come up. And this is the pit. If dumwad apologizes I will consider making a style change.
I’m pretty sure you are the one doing the dying. Russian mafia… pfft:rolleyes:
Wait, didn’t you say that the Russians were involved somehow?
I only watch game of thrones, walking dead and now westworld. Mostly on a mobile device. What’s the CIA got to do with this.
You know J Edgar Hoover is dead, right?
I thought we were talking about threats of physical violence.
But if your proposal is that some Russian outfit had some damning information on Hillary AND Trump but held back the evidence on Trump back because they thought he would win the presidency and they would be able to hold it over their head then you are deep into conspiracy theory territory.
Its starting to be come clearer and clearer that you haven’t mastered the task of thinking clearly. You might be perpetually drunk, but the simpler answer is that you’re retarded.
I’m sorry you made a retarded statement about the Russian mafia and their possible influence over Trump and cannot seem to bring yourself to admitting how fucking retarded this is. Obviously, Obamacare isn’t comprehensive enough to cover whatever is afflicting you.
But seriously. I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings. I try not to be insulting to any poster no matter how much I disagree with them unless they start with the insults, then I hit back, as would you. If you feel I was insulting to you personally (rather than insulting to your notion or ideas) before you ever threw a disparaging remark in my direction), then I apologize.
Did you even read my post? Guess not so let me sum it up for you:
In 2016 the Democrats were so blind to Clinton’s failings they honestly can’t see why anyone would vote against her (and hence for Trump). Many Trump supporter may be ignorant but then again, so are meny Clinton supporters in their own way.
Everything else stands.
Just stop trying to help me out here. 