I see a huge difference in a girl who maybe has a couple of older guys who help her get by while she is out playing the field a bit looking for a decent husband. Maybe not ethical but sometimes they gotta do what the gotta do.
By what proclamation? Oh God, Oh God, I’m arriving!!!
Oh, of course younger women are generally considered more sexually attractive than older women. I’m not arguing that. 
But a younger woman can still be seen as sexually unattractive* and be turned down for sex. And in a barter situation like this, I don’t agree that the woman has to be reasonably attractive. It probably would up the chances of her offer being accepted, sure, but the guy could accept for any number of other reasons.
- I state this outright because it’s quite common, IME, for discussions about younger women to really only be discussing hot younger women, although it’s totally unstated. Not-hot young (and older) women are essentially erased from many discussions. That is why I found it interesting that this thread did the same thing: erased non-attractive women from the scenario.
Hell I’ve been giving car advice on this board for YEARS and I’ve never gotten this offer. 
Two stories I heard from my tool guy several years back. Two guys had a mobile auto repair business. They were finishing up a big job, one guy goes inside to settle up the bill. Lady offers to take it out partially in trade.
They do it
He knocks off $5 on a $400 bill.
She gets pissed and stiffs them on the entire bill.
Second story: Same two guys, we will call them Bob and Fred
Bob goes inside to settle up bill.
Lady offers
Bob accepts
Lady gets on knees and starts to service Bob.
Fred walks in see what is going on and yells "Stop that, Bob, you know we need the money, STOP!
Bob: Don’t stop
Fred: STOP!
Lady: ??
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I see a huge difference in a girl who maybe has a couple of older guys who help her get by while she is out playing the field a bit looking for a decent husband.
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Yeah, because every woman is looking for a decent husband to take care of the car repairs so she can focus solely on the truly fulfilling things in life, like the cooking and cleaning.
…in a Hannibal Lechter/Dexter kind of way…
I think it’s only fair if you acknowledge that you made up the underlined part - it’s not even a paraphrase of what anyone else in this thread has been arguing.
On the crappy lay versus crappy mechanical job, I think it goes like this.
Mechanic (wiping lube off hands[sup]take that however you like[/sup]): Lady, judging by your idea of paying for my services, I’m going to need it done over in a couple days by someone a little more committed to the idea. Your car’s good for a whole piece longer, trust me on that.
You want dealer-quality work, you pay dealer prices…
…and I’ll leave out the part about assessing the per-hour worth of amateur pussy, because it was sounding grumpy even for me.
Seriously? You don’t get it:::
The implication in HoneyBadgers post is that the woman needs men (older benevolent men or a decent husband) to help her obtain the necessary car repairs, because she is not capable of figuring out that shit on her own, you know, being a chick and all.
She does need the expertise of a mechanic, no doubt. That mechanic could also be female, and the transaction could still be the same. The no-money-for-car-repairs-chick would have to change up the delivery method of her end of the barter a little bit, but the end result would be the same.
Sidenote, I don’t call bartering sex for car repairs “playing the field”, but I am old fashioned like that.
kayaker, merely restating the previous post and saying “Seriously?” doesn’t advance the argument. You need to, you know, put a little work in of your own.
Girlundone, the whole premise of the thread is that she can’t do her own car repairs but she knows a man who can, and both of them are heterosexual and unattached (at least, she is). All those girls who are competent mechanics, all those mechanics who are female or gay men, are left out of it. You can start your own thread if you want to explore a different hypothetical.
Meanwhile: I understood HoneyBadgerDC’s reference to “playing the field” to be the dating game in the interests of finding a mate, not as someone to mend her car for her, still less to cook and clean for (you made that part up) but for whatever reason people get married for. Also there was no implication that a girl had to have a man about the place to do stuff she couldn’t, but that if she chose to have one and repay him with sex, it was no big deal as long as she wasn’t supposed to be committed to someone else. (We can argue back and forth about whether a committed relationship ought to entail fidelity, but that’s most people’s default.)
Sometimes in an internet thread it might be hard to really express the dynamics in bartering. It may not be as cold and impersonnal as it may appear. In Ca. a 1 bedroom apt will cost about $1200.00 per month. A young mother or even an older mother may lack skills or job opportunities and can barely affort the neccessities much less the extras like car repairs that come along. When something bad happens they feel overwhelmed and helpless. Very often a man who doesn’t wish to be in a committed relaqtionship can offer not only a little help with the problems that arise but also some emotional support and advice. Most guys I know don’t ask for anything in return for favors but when they do get a favor they tend to be a little more responsive when the little emergencies in life pop up.
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Most guys I know don’t ask for anything in return for favors but when they do get a favor they tend to be a little more responsive when the little emergencies in life pop up.
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I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
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and I’ll leave out the part about assessing the per-hour worth of amateur pussy,
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I wish you hadn’t left that part out because it might actually be interesting, as opposed to the rest of what you said.
No need to fret! Clicking on “View this Malacandra’s posting history” will provide you with years and years worth of such sentiments. I must warn you, however, that after reading any number of these precious gems, your willingness to engage this user in sincere conversation may suffer a significant decline.
Ooh, burn. :eek:
Right, all your prior knowledge of me is based on accessing my posting history since November last year when you registered. :dubious: Since we’ve barely interacted during that time I’m surprise you’d even bother. Your feet must trouble you a little, if you know what I mean and I’m sure you do because, let’s face it, neither of us was born yesterday.
Girlundone’s welcome to have at it, though. Just lately she’ll have to wade through a lot of Tom Swifties and contributions to the malawhatsits thread. I talk a lot of nonsense and don’t comment much on gender issues these days, what with having got tired of the constant ad hominems years ago, so I guess you must have looked a looong way back to find “any number of these precious gems”. 
On the worth of amateur pussy:
Mechanics charge what other mechanics charge; their worth is validated by what other customers are willing to pay them or other mechanics for similar worth. Our hypothetical young lady can work the same way.
She may find it’s harder to get into the business than she perhaps thought. Established operatives may resent her intrusion into the market. Their representatives may raise objections that reduce her earning power. She may find some, many, even all of the customers unpleasant or even physically hazardous.
In short, earning even the current market rate is potentially difficult and dangerous and if she is unwilling to run those risks then she should tailor her charges accordingly. If she’s basing her worth on what high-class escorts can charge then she is making the same basic mistake as a schoolboy computer geek would be making if he looked enviously at the bucks top IT professionals make and thought he was entitled to the same.
And yet I’m guessing that our girl in this hypothetical is not thinking in terms of paying for her car servicing with some number of ten-dollar blow-jobs, but of trading a single session for what she needs done, because of course she’s worth it. Which, as I mentioned earlier, is slightly insulting when piled on top of an approach that’s basically saying “For the following laundry list of reasons, you wouldn’t normally have a chance at me, but as these are trying times I’m prepared to allow it once in exchange for a couple of hundred dollars’ worth of free stuff”.
What colander says is pretty much what happened!
And I can see you put a lot of thought into that post, too. Argument by posting history is rather weak if you ask me. 
[QUOTE=Malacandra]
On the worth of amateur pussy:
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Sounds like you think you know a lot about trying to break into the sex worker industry. I recant my earlier statement that your thoughts on this might be interesting. Upon examination, they are not. They are also irrelevant, since the OP is about bartering, not building a for profit business selling sexual services. But your Tom Swifties are great and thanks for sharing anyway. (Hugs)
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Ooh, burn.
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I’ll counter with the equally sophomoric " Nanny Nanny Boo Boo".
So you’ve got nothing but “No, that wasn’t interesting”. Cool. A counter-argument might have been more to the point, but hey, don’t over-extend yourself.
I have no problem with the OP, but what was unethical for me was my “girlfriend” ( with whom I was not having sex ) asking me to fix her car knowing that she was going to dump me as soon as it was fixed.
No wonder I felt a strange vibe from her while I was working on the car.