I taught in in college for a short while and people feel sex-for-good-grades is downright disgusting. It might be a special case since cheating in all forms at school is considered bad.
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-What if the woman welches on the deal? The man doesnt have much recourse if they initally agreed repairs/help/etc for sex but the woman changes her mind. Whats he going to do, take her to small claims court?
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no welching…you must have sex/complete car repairs simultaneously.
Kinda like “ok on 3 …1…2…3…go”
What if the woman cries “Rape!” after the transaction is completed?
… or when the service delivered is not acceptable.
…and how does either party initiate a chargeback?
IMO, it is prostitution, plain and simple. One may look (away) with a sympathetic eye if the car was her only means of commute to work, and hence essential to her sustenance. But then, one does so even for prostitution when it is a person’s sole mean of earning money.
Well said, sir, well said. (we need a “hats off to you” smiley here)
But whether you like it or not, exchanges like this happen all the time in life – marriage for money, anyone? How about marriage for citizenship? Furthermore, men seem to do a lot of paying up. The way you put it, I guess we can chalk it up to low self-esteem issues among the male of the species, eh?
I think there’s more to it than low self-esteem. The men’s club is a market saturated with objectified women: calendars, swimsuit issues, skin mags, strip clubs, porn, and. prostitutes. Attractive, willing women can be had for a price, personhood sold separately. Men don’t expect a relationship, love, or a reciprocal relationship from such a financial transaction and the average John probably isn’t anymore concerned with feelings than he is with seeking a hooker’s satisfaction.
Not even close to the same thing. When I was teaching, you couldn’t pay me to give you a better grade, either.
I think this might be a little weird, but no more unethical than a lot of things. I knew a girl who blew a guy for helping her move. There wasn’t a quid pro quo thing up front, though.
For whatever reason, sex is one area where blunt statement of motivation is generally considered bad form.
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Attractive, willing women can be had for a price, personhood sold separately
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Are the women being “had” by men? Might be the other way around.
I don’t know what algorithm you could use to calculate which party benefits more. There are just as likely to be women who don’t place much value on sex as there are men willing to pay a steep price for what amounts to ten minutes of her time. It will cost more to whichever party finds it dehumanizing or degrading, and a good bargain to willing parties who attach little significance to the act. Too many factors to calculate the true winner.
Way back when I was a long haired hippie VW mechanic, sex for repairs was readily available, given that most of our customers were long haired hippies and a good number of them were women. The one and only time I was tempted was for a young lady who was absolutely beautiful. She had a starter problem and I repaired it for free and on my own time. I declined payment of any sort, after the repair was done. I had a live in SO at the time for whatever that’s worth.
One the other hand, one of the mechanics traded a complete engine overhaul, including parts for a single instance of oral copulation. That was a little over the top.
I will use my self for an example. I don’t care for relationships for the most part even though presently I am in one. I have no interest in visiting with prostitutes. I will not lie or string a woman along to get laid. I do well with a friends with benefits type relationships and I am happy to help the other person where I can. I do have to enjoy the other persons company and feel like they enjoy mine as well. If getting laid means I have to pretend like I love someone I would rather just barter for the service and not pretend.
I used to have a lady that would drop by every once in a while for a cup of coffee and conversation. We always ended up in the sack. At some point she would mention being behind on a bill or a problem with her car after the fact. Even though I knew it was comming The whole scenario kind of turned me on for some reason.But what if she ends up being a really shitty lay? Is the Mechanic still obliged to do a good job on his end, or can he do a crappy job too?
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It will cost more to whichever party finds it dehumanizing or degrading, and a good bargain to willing parties who attach little significance to the act.
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“dehumanizing or degrading” costs extra…duh.
…and the sounds from the ratchet wrench should cover most of the grunting. Isn’t this why they have TVs with the volume up playing ESPN in the waiting area (as well as big signs saying “Customers Are Not Allowed In The Service Bays”)?
“Crappy lay” is a subjective evaluation; crappy mechanic work is pretty objectively measured. That right there seems like a problem.
Good sex can be measured. An OB-gyne can observe a patient-couple. In the book “Roots,” village elders can actually look into a (married) couple’s act of congress.
How is an obgyn be able to rate if sex is “good sex”? What constitutes a satisfying sexual experience is completely subjective.
If the sex is limited to oral and results in ejaculation, I posit that by proclamation it is good.
And if the car runs for 3 months or 5000 miles, whichever comes first, the repairs were good.
So it is written.