Is Taylor Swift genuinely a toxic individual?

Her behavior doesn’t seem that odd or different compared to a typical kid in their mid-to-late teens & early 20s. It’s just that everything she did was reported by the entertainment press. Most people I knew at that age wrote bad poems about their boyfriends/girlfriends/exes; they were just a whole lot less catchy and we lacked a platform to share them with world.

…an easy way to stop your confusion would be to stop being concerned about Taylor Swift’s private life.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Taylor is still a virgin and she’s holding out for marriage. She almost never sings about sex in her songs, and when she does, it’s usually portrayed as regrettable (“Fifteen” or “All Too Well”) or shameful (“Better Than Revenge”).

Interesting.

She seems rather petty with her songs, holding serious grudges with people that she’s willing to sing about them for the rest of her career.

But aside from that I agree with Sage Rat’s assessment almost exactly.

Though I do think the brief nonsense with Tom Hiddleston was all a big con that they both conjured up as a deliberate fuck-you to the paparazzi, who dog their lives.

Also, she’s so damn pretty.

do you believe any of her “relationships” have actually been real, and not just put together by her PR team to keep people talking about her?

She may have come from a rich family (no clue), but she made it with her songs and persona and ability to navigate today’s media. Coming into a conversation about her starting from the view that she a manufactured twit is wrong.

For what she is trying to accomplish her songs are brilliant. This last one I don’t quite get. She seems to want to present her self as Regina George from Mean Girls. And any dis track that requires adding the guys from I’m Too Sexy to the credits - why didn’t that make her pause and think?

Now, is she genuinely toxic? How the heck would I know? She works her persona super effectively in songs and in the media, and has been a rich hot very powerful celebrity her entire adult life. Where’s the risk there?

This is I think it. The fact she came from a loaded and educated family meant that the more obvious acting out like Spears did was avoided, probably due to the influence of her parents. But, at the end of the day she is still an overgrown teenager.

I am going to concede the debate with my friend. The theory that Swift is an overgrown teenager and perhaps a virgin trumps mine that she is a toxic Borderline. Thanks for your help, peoples!

Sure, I guess? I mean, people do seek out relationships and companionship and intimacy. I know that the media portrayal of celebrity is that someone is always behind the scenes micromanaging every move but I’m guessing that even famous people want to go on dates and enjoy the company of others. And it’s not as though the male halves get a lot out of this from a mercenary point of view – “Pretend to date Taylor Swift for six weeks and she’ll write a song about what a thoughtless asshole you are! Any press is good press, right?”

Ah, gotcha. Yes, I can see how that would be seen as backpedaling.

I don’t think she should be criticized for writing angry songs that she has to sing forever, though. Alanis Morissette did just fine with that, as did many other people. Yes, you might be over it 5 years later when you’re singing the song in concert, but the people currently going through what you went through aren’t, and that’s who you’re singing it for.

and now they are spreading rumors she voted for Trump!!! Off with her head.

You know what they say about The Crazy. Yeah, I ignore it, too. :o

As for Hiddleston, maybe they were each other’s beard. Note: I know nothing about either of them.

Based solely on headlines she sounds like a mean girl. Based on portions of a few songs I don’t know why she is a star.

Her older stuff was never really my bag but I could appreciate why it was popular. It was usually pretty fun and had a good hook. Her more recent stuff does nothing for me and her most recent track (“Look What You Made Me Do” or whatever its called) sounds like roasted trash. In my humble opinion.

I’m willing to overlook our age difference and take the chance that I’ll become the subject of a future song.

I’m not a fan of her music.

I do admire her tenacity in staying relevant in the ever changing music market.

Swift is right up there with Madonna in understanding how to reinvent herself every few years.

I can easily see Swift cranking out hits 15 years from now. She knows exactly how to keep herself in the news and attract new fans.

I find it interesting that Adele wrote an entire album and a half about her horrible failed relationships and we don’t have this discussion about her.

Adele doesn’t seek out news coverage. Sometimes months goes by without any articles.
She was recently on tour and got some coverage.

Swift gets coverage because she seeks it out. She conveniently pops up in just the right places for paparazzi shots.

Neither approach to a career is wrong. Both stars are very, very successful.