How come no one ever talks about Adele’s big public feuds with reality TV stars and rap artists either? Oh, yeah, because there’s nothing to talk about.
According to the ole internet, Adele’s been with the same guy (her now husband) since 2012. Her big 2011 album 21 was about one specific relationship with a guy she refuses to name or speak much about. Less fertile ground for discussion than “Twenty-One Songs Taylor Swift Has Penned About Her Exes”.
Didn’t Joni Mitchell and Graham Nash base large parts of their careers on their relationship? The songs were better, at least.
Taylor Swift is a good singer and performer. What she is in her personal life, who cares? If she’s a toxic person, that’s for herself, her family, her lover(s), and her friends to worry about. This recent condemnation of her in the media is outrageous. She’s a pop star; she owes nothing to society other than entertainment.
Yeah but they did drugs too so their shit had more depth 
Maybe we’re entertained by discussing her private life and potential toxicity. She makes her private life, relationships and feuds part of her public entertainment persona so condemning people for commenting on them is kind of silly.
Why does she owe society entertainment? I suppose you mean the part of society that pays to see her. Since I hardly know anything about her I’m just guessing about this, I think this is the old ‘role model’ situation. If I understand it correctly she is idolized by a very large number of people, which may be mainly young women, who follow her life drama and appear to take sides, mainly her side. Her personal drama involves other public figures. Now I don’t know what’s true or not about her, what I’ve said is what it appears to be from catching headlines and brief mentions about her, in other words, it seems to be an image she is cultivating. So it’s tabloid fodder as far as I can tell, and some portion of society that cares about such things will disapprove of her, and that will just get her more headlines and fans and money. Even though I know so little about her I do know one thing, she is one smart cookie.
Her going through many men is not an issue with me, it’s just that she seems like the type of person seems unlikable. Unlikable yet one can’t put a finger on it, after all I never met nor really give much mind. I don’t believe she is a bad person in the least.
I know nothing about Taylor Swift’s personal relationships, but I will say that I remember hearing EXACTLY the same things about Alanis Morissette during the *Jagged Little Pill *era, right down to trying to guess which ex-boyfriend she was singing about.
You know why you haven’t heard anything about Alanis lately? Because she’s been married for seven years and has two young children.
Yeah, I worded it wrong, but yeah, what you said basically.
I’m not a huge fan of hers but basically she’s purposefully trying to shed a good girl image she once had, I think.
I don’t know Taylor Swift and nothing I read in Posts #1-49 made me think any of the other posters do either.
All we ‘know’ about Taylor Swift is what has been generated by her publicity machine, to maintain her bankability and sell music, other celebrities to leverage off her prominence, by media who want to sell magazines or click bait, or by gossip from [i feel generous saying fifth] hand gossip. Even linking lyrical content with her life or what she actually believes is, to me, a fools errand. We’ve not nailed it for the Beatles either, so perhaps she is the walrus?
To address the original question, I think there is a broad consensus that she is a human female, but to go anywhere beyond that to actually knowing who she has had what sorts of relationships with, how they’ve fared or what happened … naaaah. We have not the first skerrick of solid information to form opinions. I found some of the posts said a lot about the poster’s attitudes to prominent and successful young women, but almost nothing about her.
I don’t follow her music much, but it seems that she can’t write any love/relationship song and not have everyone think it’s about someone specific. Some of the songs are clearly about someone, but a lot seem like wild guesses.
Yep.
And this!
Being a female, young public figure comes with the draw card of people speculating about your sex life or lack thereof and your personal motivations in not having sex. But just because it does, doesn’t mean it should.
At this point I can buy into the debate.
Free-spirited, funny, and independent is one thing. Being a role model for young girls whereby demonstrating that smashing up a car and knifing portraits because you are insanely jealous is another.
Is she toxic? On the limited information available to me, she seems incredibly media-savvy and bright. I saw her on the Graham Norton Show and she appeared to be tremendously grounded. On the other hand, I think some of her songs are toxic.
Big difference between the person and the song.
Her songs about failed relationships aren’t all about how horrible the other side was.
Out of all her songs, only a small number actually trash her exes.
My feeling is that she is quite bright and has a way with lyrics but is not as good with the actual music ( her songs seem repetitive and follow a very strict structure). She suffers from being very famous at a young age so that every time she goes on a date it becomes another "relationship ". How many people did you date more than once between the ages of 17 and 27? She’s dated 8 that we know of. Now I can’t say anything about the Kanye feud except that her explanation that what she says she objects to (his saying " I made that bitch famous " ) was not discussed in the tapes that were released.
As for her personally, she appears to give a lot to charity and is incredibly good to her fans. At Christmas, for example, she goes on their Facebook pages, finds out their interests, and sends random personalized gifts. You don’t hear about it much because it’s not something that she seeks media attention for, but in her fans’ circles, you can hear a lot of stories. A lot of celebrities might send an autographed picture, but how many would go out and buy something like a stuffed frog as a gift because the fan collects them, or make sure to send a Hanukkah card rather than a Christmas card to a Jewish fan?
Watch the Blank Space video and then say she doesn’t have a sense of humor about herself. All this is to say that I don’t know her, but I enjoy her music and I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
Gosh, wouldn’t it have been nice to get through a thread about a singer (who was fairly recently sexually assaulted, BTW) and her actions without a comment about her looks…guess we’ll never know now.:rolleyes:
She dates a person with the last name Styles, and after breaking up pen a song called “Style”. And you wonder why people think she is taking pot shots at her exes.
Style isn’t a post break-up song or a “pot shot”, in the slightest.
Not all of her breakup songs are dis tracks. “Tim McGraw” is about a boy who left for college. “Back to December” is about a breakup that she realizes was her fault and wishes she could undo.
When your lyrics include
Call me old fashioned but I think that when the boy in the song admits to being unfaithful, that’s a potshot.
Not when the woman character in the song admits to the exact same thing, and then vows that they get back together every time and “never go out of style”, no it isn’t.