He’s not talking about raping some girl.
It’s basically from the movie Hitch. No could mean “fuck off jerk”. It could also mean “try harder stupid”. The trick is to know which.
“No, try harder”, means “be more charming and romantic”. Show you actually care about her. That sort of stuff.
Well, to be specific, what he’s talking about is knowing the correct persuasive techniques to employ to push past the Subject’s Anti-Slut Defenses, and not fall victim to Last Minute Resistance. Such as, for instance, not stopping and apologizing when the girl says no. Or waiting until you and she are alone before making any overtly sexual entreaties.
Whether that’s closer to talking about raping some girl or being charming as the first step on the road to building a lasting emotional connection is best left as an exercise to the reader, in this correspondent’s opinion.
I’m married. I don’t need no stinkin’ value. 
Ah you’re missing his point. His point is these skills help you increase your value inherently. Initially it starts out as a facade; but when you’re at the point of applying your PUA to marketing and management, you’re far beyond that, you’ve internalized things. Your self esteem is higher, all that stuff. PUA is to insecurity what the Biggest Loser is to weight: it takes the insecurity out of you and shows you how to keep it out.
Absolutely. PUA is a tool. You can use it for cheap things like whatever smoosh rooms are; or for finding the love of your life.
And how do you tell which?
Assume it’s always the one that benefits you, and have a short memory.
Actually, all the real/serious Martial Artists I know are concerned about idiots going around on the internet and spewing bullshit* about Ninja Death Strikes and Exploding Palm Techniques and having to register their extremities as lethal weapons with The Government etc, because it gives the “serious” guys a bad name in the public eye and means people assume that everyone who does Wing Chun or Karate is doing it because it’s “badass” or so they can beat people up, and not for the many fitness, spiritual, holistic, or other worthy reasons to take up a Martial Art.
The same is true for gun owners and former soldiers, incidentally.
*and I’m not trying to imply you’re an idiot spewing bullshit, I’m just illustrating my earlier point about people doing the wrong thing and causing problems for everyone else
Actually, I’d trust the countless scientific papers on the subject, reputable discussions in peer-reviewed journals, people with doctorates in the subject (awarded from recognised universities), and secondary source information from trustworthy sources etc. Just because someone works at a nuclear power plant doesn’t mean they’re an expert on it, anymore than I’m not an expert on cars despite the fact I can drive.
The former, mainly. Unless they work in HR or some other politically correct/trendy feel-good position.
I bring it up for two reasons: Firstly because it’s maddeningly distracting and it detracts from the integrity of what you’re trying to say IMHO, and secondly because you’ve been going on about how you’re all about self-improvement so I figured the information might be of use to you. Clearly it’s not, so let’s forget about it and move on.
On a more constructive tangent: how do you deal with other guys getting angry at you for “stealing their girl” or “getting all up in their shit” or whatever when you swoop in and use your techniques to pull a woman that some other guy has been “tuning” (to use a slightly dated but apt turn of the vernacular)? I used to work in the hospitality industry and saw more than a few serious arguments and fights started over that sort of thing, so I’d be interested to see if there’s a recommended disengagement technique PUAs are advised to use if it looks like things are about to get out of hand.
You know what would be easier? If guys (who so often bitch about women playing games) would just say, “Okey dokey” and leave the game-playing women in the lurch. Eventually, the game playing women would have to stop playing games if no one would play along.
smoosh = “fucking” in Guido-speak apparently.
Beats me. They usually never say “no”.
Let’s all just boycott gasoline and then the gas prices will go down.
Come on. You know this stuff is much easier said than done.
Actually, for the first time in this discussion, she has a damned solid point. It’s easier said than done but few good things ever come easy.
Why can’t people understand that it’s about PRESENTATION and not CONTENT. They are not faking content, they are merely polishing their presentation.
A salesman can be selling a very good quality product, but if he hasn’t showered in 6 months and is wearing a filthy potato-sack for clothes, he won’t get far. In fact, people will run away from him. They’ll never even get a chance to see what his product is! If this salesman finally took a shower, and dressed up, would people be screaming “Oh no! He’s put on some clothes, somebody stop him!!! He’s clearly trying to scam us!”?
Some people are naturally socially confident, friendly, approachable, etc. Do only those people deserve friendship and love? What is so wrong with lonely people learning out how to make social connections with others?
There is nothing wrong with learning something. That doesn’t make it fake. You learned English, didnt’ you? Does that mean that your thoughts, feelings, and communications are insincere and unnatural because you weren’t born speaking English?
It would also be easier if men could just go up to women and say “Excuse me. I happen to find you very attractice and would like to have sex with you back at your place if you are so agreeable. Or perhaps a blowjob in the bathroom if you don’t wish to leave your friends.”
See, I disagree. People can see through presentation. But if the content is there, it shows through. Think of someone who feels uncomfortible going to a five star restaurant no matter how dressed up they are vs someone walking into Nobu wearing a t shirt and cargo shorts with no reservations and getting seated. It’s the difference between “acting cool” and “being cool”.
Presentation doesn’t mean the way you’re dressed. It means how you say what you say is important, not what you say.
And if women would stop choosing the most aggressive guys for hundreds of thousands of years at a stretch we could leave the trouble making dudes in the lurch and get started with that world peace thing.
Cool is all about presentation, and has nothing to do with content. I have no idea what you are talking about.
As for content “showing through”, that’s false. How do you make friends and meet people and show them your content when you are too afraid to leave the house, start up conversations, and speak to others in public? Many lonely anti-social men have tons of content, they’re overflowing with content, but they have no idea how to go out there and present it to others.
Well, pretty much. But since the PUA thing is apparently just a very detailed, very time-consuming way of answering “How high?” when a game-playing woman says “Jump,” I don’t really care if “No means no” has the dread repercussion of… some guys sometimes don’t get to have sex that night.
If a guy takes no for no, the worst that happens is he goes home alone.
If a guy takes no for yes, the worst that happens is a woman gets raped.
Given the stats on date rape, given the claims in this thread that especially when guys just get started down this path they have trouble “calibrating,” and given the rather persistent vibe that this isn’t about women as individuals but women as trophies, I think building a system around this type of game playing is dangerous as hell.
Plus:
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sigh When you have to explain something as elementary as this, the situation is already pretty damned hopeless.
Hold up, pal. You’re putting some of the responsibility in this on a woman’s shoulders. That’s all kinds of nuts. And stuff. (Of course, you’re right… I’m being satirical here.)
Wow, talk about fearmongering. You automatically hate that which you cannot understand, or in this case grossly misinterpret.
Reductio ad absurdum. You are clearly inferring the most absurd conclusion to the PUA style. When they say “no means try harder” that does not mean “take no for yes”.
Reductio ad absurdum again. PUA is a social tool, like a screwdriver. Someone who has a screwdriver might have trouble “calibrating” and ram it into someone else’s head.
It gives no more of a vibe of women as trophies than your argument gives the vibe of outright reactionary paranoia.
If a man came up with such irrational arguments they’d be Pitted in a hurry.
A good wingman is hard to find. Most guys look at pickup as a competition to see who’s “better”. My buddy and I have the same goal: for people to have sex. If a girl is into him instead of me, I help him out by chatting up her friends and letting them know how awesome he is (since he can’t do that himself, it’d be bragging even though it’s true). If a girl is into me instead of him, he helps me out. Sometimes girls will pull the switcheroo on us where they come back from the bathroom or whatever and have decided to switch up who gets who and we just roll with it. And we help random guys and girls hook up too…if I notice a girl is into some random guy at the bar and he can’t tell, I’ll let him know “Dude, that girl is totally into you, go for it!” and help him out. And we feel bad for girls who are clearly super horny and dying to get laid but who get stuck going home alone or hanging with a guy who will be a gentleman and just get her phone number instead of giving her sex like she wants. We just want everyone to have sex. 
Your buddy is supposed to be the greatest guy in the world as far as you’re concerned. You NEVER talk shit about your friends to a girl. It makes your friends look lame and how great could you be if you hang out with lame people, and it makes you look like a dick that talks shit about your own FRIENDS. Friends you’ve known for years should NEVER come before some silly girl you’ve just met. Girls don’t respect guys who don’t respect their friends.
Oh it’s a lot of work. I’m too old to put in that kind of effort, but he loves it. The point is he’s living his life how he wants to instead of starting threads on being lonely or being unsatisfied with his sexless marriage. If your goal is to get married then he’d be just as happy for you finding a wife as he is when he has sex with a random girl.
No, I’m just surprised that someone who clearly hasn’t read the whole thread would jump in 13 pages into the thread to overreact to something that’s already been discussed and explained at various points in the discussion.
This is a big topic to summarize, because it’s important and erring on the wrong side of it can go horribly wrong, but to sum up the jist of it:
A “No means try harder” is when a girl says no but doesn’t leave the situation or even attempt to. So when you flirt with a girl and ask for her number and she says “I have a boyfriend!” but stays there and keeps flirting with you, that means “I have a boyfriend but this is fun, keep flirting with me and push it because I’m not really that into him”. If you’re kissing a girl and say “Let’s go to my place and watch that movie we were talking about” and she goes “I can’t leave my friends!” but keeps kissing you, that means “I want to but my friends will cockblock us, figure out a way to handle the logistics so I can come over!” If you’re making out on the couch heavily and you guys are well into the groping stages (ie - this is for 20 minutes into a heavy makeout/grope-fest, not the second you sit on the couch together) and you rub her crotch over her jeans and she whispers “we shouldn’t…” and pushes your hand away lightly but keeps making out with you and feeling you up, that means “I’m not quite horny enough to let you do that yet, but I’m into you like crazy so back up for a few minutes and keep this stuff up till I AM horny enough”.
When you push through the “no means try harder” ASD/LMR, the girl ends up relieved that you were able to figure out her ridiculous “can’t admit what I actually want” games society has forced her to play to protect her reputation and self-esteem, and can let herself go and have a fun romp in the sack. They cuddle up next to you after you’re both all orgasmed out and they’re happy as a clam that a guy could tell she wanted sex and actually pursued it.
I’m pretty rape victims don’t cuddle up to their rapist and take them for breakfast in the morning after a second rape and then txt their rapist through the week hoping he’ll rape them again, but what do I know. 
A “no means NO.” is when a girl flat out says something involving the word “NO.” (vs “we shouldn’t” “we can’t” “omg this is sooo bad” “I never do this” “you’re terrible” “I can’t believe we’re doing this” “this is crazy” etc.) and her body language locks up completely. She’s not making out with you anymore, she’s not groping you back, she’s not smiling, she legitimately means NO. If you get this you stop right the fuck there, and apologize for coming on too strong, sit on the other side of the couch, etc. etc. calm the situation down and acknowledge that you made a mistake and get her comfortable again, but odds are if you really freaked her out you won’t be hearing from her again and you can’t blame anyone but yourself and your own lack of calibration/self-control.
Realistically a real “no means NO.” is rare, because the vast majority of the guys who get into pickup are nice guys who are trying to learn how to interact with women because they’re terrified of them. So do you really think their going to err on the side of RAPING THEM? haha fuck no, they’ve been scared shitless they even got away with KISSING her let alone getting her to their couch let alone getting to feel a boob! They’re going to err on the side of not escalating enough through the "No means try harder"s and end up frustrating a bunch of horny girls because they back off too quick haha
Honestly this is just something people who are concerned with social pressure with stress over. Part of pickup is learning to deal with social pressure and not let it affect you. If that girl thinks I’m lame, cool, she doesn’t really know me we only chatted for 10 seconds, I’m sure if we chatted for a while she’d come to see I’m a pretty normal guy like my friends have, so why would her opinion of me concern me? If that guy listening to some McDojo Ninja on the internet talking about how his art is the best and he’s a badass who can beat anyone up convinces some other guy that martial artists are all angry psychos, well, I’m sure if we chit-chatted about it he’d find I’m pretty normal and got into it for different reasons. If he wants to cast judgement and believe a stereotype, that’s not really my concern, I’m over here doing my thing.
I don’t judge other people and I don’t let myself be judged by other people. That’s why in this thread, I could get all riled up about people accusing PUAs of just being mass rapists, but it’s like, people making that accusation just don’t understand the concepts…I’ll be happy to explain it to them and I’m sure over time they’ll come to see that it’s a silly notion. And if they’re determined to stick to their rash judgements, that’s alright, I’m over here being a good person and giving value to the people around me.
Back in my teenage years and early adulthood however, where I was much more externally validated (meaning my self-worth was determined by the opinions of the people around me, vs internally validated which means my self-worth is determined by my own opinion of myself), I would have been concerned about those things. That’s the same fear that would keep me from approaching a girl and risking embarrassing myself and everyone thinking I’m a loser. Now I don’t have that fear, it’s just not a concern to me.
Years down the road, when people stop reacting to this as “So basically you RAPE DRUNK LOW SELF ESTEEM WHORES??”, maybe those people will actually calm down and study this the way we have and write those things for future PUAs to cite to you. But as it is, the concepts are so new (even the current “technology” is very different from the early 2000s tech as concepts are still revised and made more efficient) that it’s going to be a while before legit scientists will study this.
You have to understand, the PUA movement is like Bruce Lee creating Jeet Kune Do. Or like the creation of the first affordable personal computer. Or the notion that slavery is wrong or that women should have rights. It’s a complete re-think of traditional beliefs and the forging of a new system that completely challenges previously accepted systems.
Like, you’re witnessing the early mechanics of a system that will probably take another 10 - 20 years before it’s completely solidified and accepted. Already parts of it are accepted as evidenced by shows like Keys to the VIP or movies like Hitch, but generally those are the very politically correct polished up versions of concepts that won’t result in the public hounding Will Smith for encouraging rape.
Or, say a discussion that involves very emotionally charged topics that can be very easily misinterpreted on a message board full of very intelligent people who are very quick to pounce on any badly thought out phrasing and start a Pit Thread like Le Jacquelope is being railed in or the unintentional misuse of a “haha” spawns way more posts about it’s underlying meanings than is really warranted.
I speak well in general, but a lot more casually in real life. But then in real life I’m generally not discussing such controversial subjects.
Earlier in this post I talked about how people are concerned with social pressure…well, that’s what you use to diffuse a fight: the opinions of the people around the other other person, or his PERCEPTION of their opinion.
To use an example not girl-related (to show that PUA concepts help with lots of areas of life besides girls), a buddy and I were outside a bar with 3 girls and getting a hotdog. The hotdog guy was getting bullied by some big jock dude who had a problem with his religion (hotdug guy was East-Indian). The guy wasn’t physically bullying him but he was being very aggressive verbally “questioning the guy’s beliefs” and the hotdog guy really didn’t want to have any of it but couldn’t go anywhere because of his hotdog cart so he was stuck taking abuse. My friend is tall and always ready to throw-down and I know that, so to diffuse things I just told the girls “wow, that guy is bullying the hotdog guy, that’s so mean, who DOES that, that’s not cool!” and they went “yeah what a loser!” and so I said it louder and shouted “hey man, c’mon, leave the hotdog guy alone, he’s the HOTDOG guy, quit picking on him!” and the girls started to tell him to leave the guy alone and then I shut up and let them do it from there. Now the guy has 3 girls pressuring him into feeling like a jerk and like he should leave, and he can’t hit GIRLS so he can’t do anything about it except watch everyone around us turning to pay attention to him getting yelled at by these girls. But he was kind of a dick so he was sticking to his guns, but I see his girlfriend is beside him so then I yell to his girlfriend “Hey why is your boyfriend picking on the hotdog guy? We all love the hotdog guy!” and she doesn’t have the same stubborn frame as him so she felt the social pressure because suddenly everyone is paying attention to her and the “random guy” became “that girl’s boyfriend” and so she was embarrassed by her boyfriend and she dragged him off even though he wanted to stay, but he can’t disobey his GF or he won’t get laid.
So in the end nobody got hurt, the hotdog guy gave us free hotdogs and now he always waves us down to chat when we walk by, my buddy got laid by one of the girls we were with (they hooked regularly for a few months), and a potentially bad situation was resolved simply by understanding how social pressure affects people, calibrating to people’s level of frame control, and knowing how to rally up a group of people quickly. This was all done very calm and consciously on my part and everyone reacted exactly the way I knew they would (except the bully himself who turned out to have a stronger frame than I expected but as soon as I noticed that I just re-calibrated to the new information and found an alternative solution in a split-second which was his girlfriend who would worry more about social pressure and reptuation than he would).
For actually taking girls from guys you use the same concept:
If I’m feeling like a dick I can say that I saw the guy getting some other girl’s phone number, etc. and that just compounds it all, so he’s toast as far as her friends are co-ncerned.
A second version of stealth AMOGing is to go directly to the girl herself. If I’m talking to a girl and another guy comes up to hit on her and I know he’s just a random guy, I’ll turn my back to them. If he’s an orbiter nice-guy who’s being overprotective I’ll just introduce myself to him and then talk to my friends and let them chat. The SECOND that guy leaves that girl’s side for any reason, I’ll be back over to her and say “Your boyfriend seems like a cool guy.” If they’re not BF/GF, she’ll go “him?? oh no no he’s not my boyfriend, we’re just friends!! I’m single!” and that guy is done because she’s chosen me AND given me an Indicator of Interest (by letting me know she’s single) which means I’m free to escalate things with her and he can’t do anything about it.
This results in REALLY obnoxious out-AMOGing attempts on both my side and the other guy. Like, it sounds completely stupid, immature, and not funny at all to anyone who overhears it or reads the conversation in text. But the words aren’t important, what’s going on under the words is a battle of who’s frame is stronger and who gets frustrated or mentally shook up first. A guy who gets laid a lot will always have a chill sharp wit because he’s not invested in things, he knows he’s awesome. But an insecure guy will get all riled up. As soon as you show that the other guy has gotten to you, you lose and the girls choose you.
This is really stupid “leader of the wolfpack” stuff where wolves are scrapping to see who’s top dog, but instead of fists it’s a social thing. And this only happens if the guy is really alpha.
The fucked up part is this can involve a lot of slapping eachother on the back, giving eachother slightly-too-hard headlocks, squeezing eachother’s hand during a handshake and dragging the other guy off balance slightly, etc. etc. So it’s really fucking scary to mess with…but on the surface level it just looks like two loud drunk assholes being really “over the top frat-boy” with eachother.
The irony of this one is that if both guys hold their frame long enough, or if the challenging guy manages to take the girl away from the other guy, the guys actually end up having a mutual respect for eachother. Kind of like two guys getting into a good fistfight and then laughing about it over a beer after. This is really primal caveman shit and I don’t recommend it unless you’re willing to risk an actual fight.
With this style usually the guy will actually just completely back off and let me HAVE his girl, because he feels that in the social pecking order I’m higher up and if the girl shows me any interest then he just accepts that her and I should be together and will back off.
Ignoring AMOGing is when you just ignore the guy. If you can tell the guy has only just met the girls and isn’t actually with their group, you can literally just walk in, talk louder than him and act like you don’t know him and lock eye contact with the girl and act as if he’s non-existant. If you can get her attracted quickly (which you can, you’re a PUA, that’s what you do) he feels the social pressure of everyone watching him standing there as the third wheel akwardly and he’s stuck because his only choice of actions is to 1) go over the top of you energy-wise which will just make him look try-hard, or 2) get angry with it which will just make him look insecure. So he can’t do anything but back off and let you have her. The best is if you can get her to follow you (take a step to the side so she turns to face you and has her back to him, or tell her “let’s go get a drink” and she comes with you), because then SHE’S the one choosing you over him and he can’t get mad at you because she chose you and beating you up won’t win her over because she likes you, he’ll just become the bad guy.
Go Away AMOGing is for when you need to defend yourself from guys who are trying to take your girl. Escorting a girl out of the bar at 2am and through Leicester Square is widely regarded amongst the PUA community as practically a suicide mission haha The guys are massively aggressive and all trying to take your girl off your hands. This happens all over though, if you date a really attractive girl. Guys will actually hit on her RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU. Like I’ve had my arm around while we sit in a booth at a bar and a guy came up and completely ignored me and started hitting on her asking her name, etc. This is generally very fast, very curt, and very tooling…it’s a bit dickish because, well, quit hitting on my girl, asshole!
Basically you just tell the guy whatever he’s saying or doing is cool (you’re making yourself the judge of what’s cool, so if he says thanks he’s accepting his lower status) and then quickly drag your girl away. “Excuse me miss–” “That’s cool man, we’re cool, we have to go, have a nice night dude!” and drag her off.
If you can’t physically leave or just don’t want to leave where you are, you tool him with stuff that puts social pressure on him. “Cool man, that’s cool, shouldn’t you be getting back to your friends dude? Where are your friends? You’re not here by yourself are you?” One guy introduced himself to my girl as “Julian” and I said very loudly so he couldn’t ignore it, “Hey man, I’m TWTTWN, what’s your name again?” as I held my hand out. “Oh, uhh, Julian.” “Julia? Wow, really? You must have gone through hell in school with a name like Julia!” “No, no JuliAN!” “Ohhh wow haha my bad man, so hey where are your friends at Julian?” “uhh” “Cool, so hey we’re hangin out here but it was nice to meet you Julian. You have fun tonight, dude!” and then completely ignore him and talk to my girl. The akward social pressure on him from that was massive. He couldn’t get pissed at me because the things I said were very friendly, but he can tell from the vibe that he’s looking silly.
A good example of this is a clip from a while back of Jamie Foxx at a roast where a guy tries to make fun of him:
At 1:30 into the clip the guy starts making fun of Jamie, and Jamie just quotes him and gives him the guns like he’s over-reacting to how “hilarious” the guy is. Then around 2:50 he starts whispering into the mic “I’m your conscience…man it sure did get hot in here…am I fuckin’ up right now? I wish I was in a movie with Jamie…I just did another joke that didn’t go over…” Jamie destroys the guy and the entire crowd is against the dude. As the clip goes on you can see on his face that the guy has no idea what to do and has to bail…there’s no way to recover. And yet, he doesn’t go over and punch Jamie in the face, because he knows Jamie has the entire crowd on his side and he’d come off as the bad guy and can’t handle that pressure. This is similar to my situation with the hotdog bully’s girlfriend up above dragging her boyfriend away. The boyfriend could handle the social pressure, so he might’ve punched me, that’s why I quit talking once the girls got involved and why I went for his girlfriend instead because she’s less likely to handle the social pressure of a crowd of people not liking her.
So that’s the jist of AMOGing. Some guys who’ve been in interactions with alpha guys may recognize some of this stuff. These techniques were backwards engineered from PUAs trying to take girls from alpha/player guys at the bar and getting tooled by the guys and then looking for patterns in the behavior and structuring/categorizing the techniques alpha males naturally use to stay “on top of the wolfpack”.
I should finish with:
Don’t use these if you’re not heavily studying pickup, and even then don’t use them until you understand the fuck out of them because if you do them wrong you WILL get your ass kicked by some dude.
I don’t purposely AMOG guys because I’m no longer at a point where I NEED to AMOG other guys. If I have a girl that’s into me, no guy can take a girl from me, I’m smarter, quicker-witted, more experienced, and understand social dynamics better than any random guy that approaches me…that’s not me being cocky, it’s just a fact. But because of that, I don’t have to be a dick to other guys. I let my girl run off and do her thing around the bar because I know guys will buy her drinks, I know they’ll hit on her, I know they’ll try to get her phone number, hell I know she may even give out her number or a fake one to get them to go away. But I know none of those guys is going to be skilled enough to escalate things with her quick enough that I have to worry. She’ll be going home with me at the end of the night and will forget the guy even existed by morning, and if she remembers him I drop an “oh the creepy guy? haha you LIKED that guy? I dunno, I got a weird vibe from him…but hey whatever, I’m sure he was a cool guy.” and he’s done.
I feel bad for other guys. I know the guy who comes to the bar with his girlfriend and looks super insecure and jealous all night is just scared that someone will take his girl. I know that he probably likes her a lot and isn’t capable of getting a new girlfriend if that one is taken away. So I say hey, good luck man, I hope you guys work out, there are plenty of single girls out there for me and I have the skills to actually get them, I don’t need to come be a dick and ruin your life.
I don’t have any jealousy, because other guys aren’t competition to me. When you start PUA, every guy is your enemy/competition because you feel like you’re coming from a lower-value place than them and have to battle for the girls. This is the stage a lot of the creepy/annoying/rude/etc. newbie PUAs you meet at the bar are at. But down the road you come from a higher-value place than other guys so you just make friends with them. Like it doesn’t even enter your head that they could possibly take your girl and they can tell so they back off or accept your friendship. That’s a MUCH more positive outlook and end result than seeing guys as “AMOGs that need to be destroyed”.
Generally the girls who play games are the really hot ones. They’ve learned they have to play games because they get hit on 20+ times a day and have tons of guys orbiting them and bothering them. Guys actually created their own problem because girls subconsciously develop shit-tests and qualifying guys to weed out guys that aren’t confident enough for them to be into. If you’re a castle with one or two orcs attacking you, you can leave your drawbridge down and be fine. But when you have a Lord of the Rings style barrage of orcs storming your walls 24/7 you need the drawbridge up, archers firing arrows along the castle walls, etc. etc. haha
Women who play games aren’t malicious bad people, they’re just trying to survive the relentless assault of guys who aren’t good enough for them.
Also this. I didn’t construct society and social dynamics, I’m just working within them.