Don’t let post #16 fool you, in the end, no good will come of this. 
It certainly sounds like you are. And for the record, after the 9/11 bombings, some of the most vocal attacks on the perpetrators came from the Muslim community, at least in Britain. My community in particular was very vocal in decrying these excuses for human beings. No sane non-fundamentalist Muslim ever rejoices in the death of another.
Actually, I’d probably visualise an IRA bomber instead. As would a lot of people my age in the UK
Unbelievably, I am agreeing with this. Angua, I have known a lot of Muslims in my life, and none have been like this. I apologize to you for saying this. But Muslims in positions of power don’t decry these attacks. They just stand silent. Muslims don’t get together and say “this is horrible, this should not happen, let’s do something to make sure our religion doesn’t spawn bloodthirsty people like this.” Nothing is being done.
When blacks were freed, lots of blacks spoke up. But nothing could have been done if white people in positions of power - the enslavers - hadn’t spoken up and decried the horrid deeds.
Is every criminal act by a Muslim terrorism now? Just because dots can be connected a certain way does not make that pattern significant. Timothy McVeigh did not make me fear the IRA.
You’re wilfully blind. Mainstream Muslim leaders continually decry acts of extremism. A recent example is Britain’s Islamic Council sending a delegation to Iraq to plead for the life of Ken Bigley. Their distress at fundamentalist acts of violence is genuine, and twofold (i) because acts of murder go against the teachings of Islam, and (ii) because people will take these isolated acts and use them to criticise what is a diverse and largely peaceful religion.
People like you.
Silly Angua. Didn’t you get the memo? Terrorism came into existence on 9/11/2001. All that silly IRA stuff? Just exuberant high spirits! Hell, there were relatively respectable people in certain cities in the USA who sent them tons of MONEY, and they’re white and stuff, so they can’t be terrorists.
You really have to get on the distribution list for official notifications…
Some of them do. There was a lot in England, a lot. And on preview, I think Jervoise has said it so much better than I can.
How about any crime committed by an Irishman in the UK during the 70/80’s even the murders? Were they all part of the IRA’s fight?
Nope and they weren’t sold as such. Maybe because in general the Brits don’t try to look for 100% black or white solutions.
You however are a dot joiner extraordinaire. You can see connections were they don’t exist.
Some stupid deranged muppet took his belief in his stupid antiquated superstitions and killed some poor guy. The End.
The only thing at all that this thread has to do with the war on terror is that a TWAT started it.
:smack: That’s what I get for sitting in my academic ivory tower, trying to be a peaceful Muslim. I never get the memos.
Theo van Gogh was a well-known and controversial filmmaker who liked to expose harsh truths about Muslim culture and society. In spite of death threats, he believed he was too “high-profile” to be a serious target.
And now he has been silenced - by a Muslim killer.
His murder sends a very chilling message throughout the whole of the Netherlands - as it is intended to. “No matter how important you are, we will kill you if you piss us off.” It is raw, undiluted terrorism.
Stupid and ridiculous. Muslim organisations are constantly decrying such things. If you can’t make an effort to actually inform yourself about a subject you should not participate in discussions.
Just one of the many links a cursory use of Google produced but let’s not let facts get in the way of prejudice.
If he’d made a film about the poor treatment of women by fundamentalist Christians and was subsequently murdered by a Southern Baptist, would you be on here posting threads about “Mad Dog Christians” and insinuating that all Christians are implicitly terrorists or in agreement with them?
I don’t think so. In which case, you are a hypocrite. And a bigot.
Not that we needed further proof after the other threads you’ve started and posted to.
Good on you, Daniel.
Good for you twice.
Regards,
Shodan
No, it is not. It is one, just one, fucking lunatic who decided ‘he pissed me off, so I will kill him’. Just one. The entire fucking Muslim community didn’t go out there and decide to knock him off, it was just one fucking nutcase.
Yes, his murder does send a message out to the Netherlands - ‘there are nutcases who live there’.
Should I decry all men as rapists and molesters, just because a few of them are? No. Therefore, don’t call an entire community terrorists because a few lunatics are.
But, Angua! They’re weird! And they pray weird! And they’re dark-skinned and swarthy and whiskery and wear weird clothes! They’re not European, and they’re especially not Dutch! So they must all have dark ulterior motives involving the murder of the Dutch male population and the subjugation of good Dutch womanhood and and and…
Jesus…I can’t keep this bullshit up for that long! How do they do it?
Angua and others with a sane reaction to this.
You are making this nasty day just a little less nasty with your levelheaded and sensible responses.
I am aware that Islamic leaders have recently begun to speak out against the terrorists. For that, I commend them for their courage, for doing so puts them on the death list.
But I want to see more, by rank ‘n’ file Muslims. You know who your terrorists are. They do not exist in a vacuum. Get rid them of them. I do not care how you do it. Round them up. Turn them over to the authorities. Hang them from the nearest lamppost. Whatever. Cast them out.
Debates over whether certain acts or persons are or are not “truly representative of Islam” are pointless. There is no dictionary definition of Islam that everyone can agree on.
This murder was motivated by religious fervor that has motivated similar acts in the past and is likely to motivate similar acts in the future. The number of such acts is likely to increase over the long term, simply because Islam and the West encounter each other more and more frequently and Islam shows no signs of liberalization.
If you think this act had no cultural context, you probably think the World Series has nothing to do with baseball. Just a bunch of guys who happen to be wearing uniforms and hitting balls with bats.
I should say that the religious motivation is apparent and circumstantial at this point, but the evidence is strong. I’ll be interested to hear what the note left on the victim states.
Interesting parallel here with the last very public Dutch assassination - that Pim Fortuyn, the far-right Dutch politician who made many vocal attacks on Islam.
Would you concede that the killer was just a loon.
Thus - yet again - speaks the voice of someone who has never lived with terrorism in their midst. No civilian population has ever been able to do this.