Ah, well as all Floridians know, the world’s largest Black Panther flag currently flies over the Nation of Islam pavilion at EPCOT Center in Orlando. It’s right in front of the Soul on Ice theater, a song and dance figure-skating extravaganza which takes the audience through a whirlwind musical tour inside the body of a giant animatronic Eldridge Cleaver.
There are various Black Panther logos, some of which have been displayed as flags, but I don’t think there’s an official flag, per se.
If the best part of you weren’t a brown stain running down the crack of your mama’s ass, I’d consider your opinion an honor. But 35,000 posts? What are you? Obsessive compulsive? Manic depressive?
When you were born, your daddy said: “not bad for a butt-fuck”.
Hey, this insulting individual posters personally is kinda fun. It is allowed in the pit, isn’t it?
I’d suggest that you look in a modern dictionary under liberal and discover that your operative definition is damn near obsolete. Your not a liberal, your a jerk.
Anyway, a pleasure to return your compliments. Dick.
The Union flag has gone through periods of being associated with the National Front. Maybe not considered as racist, but there have been times (late 70s, early 80s) when anyone wearing one (especially if a skinhead) would be considered well dodge.
My what?
How about the African-American Flag? Is there an official African-American Flag? Searching Google Images for “African-American Flag” got me a little over 173,000 pictures but I didn’t look at all of them and, of course, a bunch of the pictures are duplicates. But, there are a few on the first two pages that are based on the design of the Flag of the United States of America that I found personally offensive. In fact, I hated the very sight of them and I think anyone who displays any of the ones that I don’t like is <insert whatever rude, inconsiderate, hateful terms you* can imagine.> But I would never get away with making a comment like that with any kind of words that could be perceived as being racist or not PC, yet the OP seems to feel he should have some sort of special exemption that allows him to (verbally) attack an entire class of citizens.
I would also never attribute any specific motives or character flaws to anyone who chose to display any of those flags that I personally don’t like unless I knew them on an individual basis. Nor would I object to anyone displaying those flags that I personally don’t like; after all, the person displaying those flags has a constitutionally guaranteed right to display them and I do respect that right.
To the OP, if you are as virulent in real life as you are on an anonymous message board, I’m sure you would have no trouble finding a bar that is frequented by a certain class of bikers and/or rednecks. Wait for a crowd to gather, walk inside, ask for silence and then repeat you first post word for word; I’m sure they would all be converted to your point of view instantly. Please do that and report back to us the results.
*Generic ‘you’ of the human population and not any one specifically, you understand.
Just for the record, my father was a rabid white supremest who believed with all his heart that white people were just plain better than black people. He disinherited me specifically because I refused to adopt his racist attitudes.
Here’s where your analogy fails:
(1) There is no flag representing “African Americans” that is widely recognized in American society.
(2) There is no flag representing “African Americans” that is also widely recognized as symbolizing something as offensive as treason, racism, white supremacism, slavery, and a handful of other views.
(3) There is no widely recognized group of African Americans who routinely display a flag that implies anything covered by (1) or (2)
(4) There is no widely recognized group of African Americans who routinely advocate for official governmental recognition of a flag that implies anything covered by (1) or (2)
(5) The “offense” here is not based on some quirky, individualized reaction. It is based on widely recognized societal, cultural, and historic events, norms, and knowledge.
If an African American publicly displayed a symbol that was widely recognized by a significant number of people in the society as representing the sort of things in (2), you would be perfectly justified in coming to the same kinds of conclusions that the OP does.
If you want to toss out every ancient joke in the book, at least make it on topic. Randomly insulting a user in the midst of another thread is thread hijacking, even in the Pit, when it makes no real reference to their argument or position.
Louis, the difference is that an (note the indefinite article “African-American” flag doesn’t fly over any state capital I know of. Black people don’t run around complaining about how people misrepresent what their flag(s) mean(s).
As far as “not getting away with making a comment like that”… well, you just did. Nobody swooped in to proclaim their outrage, and I doubt anyone will. If you’re suggesting that you ought to be able to say that at a Back to Africa rally, then you might do well to look at your own assertions as to what would happen if the OP denigrated the rebel flag in front of a bunch of rednecks.
Anyway, I think I demonstrated fairly well on the previous page that the Civil War was about slavery; if there was a period of history during which black people flying some sort of “African-American flag” opressed whites, then we’d talk about that flag the same way.
Same point I was going to make. A die-hard Confederate apologist used that argument on me, saying that black Americans should therefore be more offended by the Stars and Stripes than by a Confederate flag. The difference is, slavery was always against the stated moral and philosophical principles of the U.S., which is why from the Constitutional Convention on some foresaw an eventual Civil War over the matter. Same with all the atrocious things done under the Stars and Stripes; slowly, painfully (and with some steps backwards in recent years) we try as a country to live up to our stated principles.
With the Confederacy, by contrast, slavery was its very reason for existence.
(Also note – though it’s worth a whole separate thread – that the American Revolution was also, to some extent, a civil war, and the period with the greatest number of slaves escaping, long before the Underground Railroad. After the Revolution, the Colonies were free States, but enslaved black people in the South had it worse than ever.)
Not familiar with the Red, Black, and Green?
Jesus. Just Jesus. Are my sarcasm skills so lacking? If so, I’ll never attempt sarcasm again. In fact, I may never post again without clearing it with the entire membership first.
Well, see that you keep your wits about you in the future.
Lemme get this straight, Lib. You’re defending the use of a symbol of hatred, treason, and slavery. And yet, you go apeshit if someone ever even offers a hint of a defense of Andrew Jackson (who was also from the South, IIRC)
I would say that Jefferson Davis was a hell of a lot worse.
Sometimes it helps to use the [sarcasm] and [/sarcasm] markers. It tends to help in situations where Sarcasm content might be unclear.
Oh, and you’ll never post again if you demand concensus first. 
Being originally from the south and having known a few people from there, I can say that there are a number of people who display the Rebel Flag without any racist intent, or ncessarily any knowledge that it can be tken that way. I’m not talking about rocket scientists here, but pot smoking Lynyrd Skynyrd fans who just like it for it’s aesthetics and as a symbol of the south, bu t do not intend to send a hostile message. If there’s any political or sociological mesage at all, it’s along the lines of “The South rules!” with maybe a hint of rural, working class pride over yankee effetism.
Having said that, there are also plenty of people who display it with the conscious intent of giving offense and to express a passive-aggressive racism.
You don’t necessarily know who is who, but I would have to say it isn’t true that hate or hostility is always intended without exception. Sometimes it’s just genuine cluelessness.
I don’t think anyone’s saying that EVERYONE who uses it is a racist, Dio. At least, I’m not.
But, I think it’s just too tainted a symbol at this point. I don’t think you can claim to be a big patriot with that flying, either. Because it was all about treason.
(But, as Dennis Miller always says, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong)
You’re quite right; besides, this is the Pit, right? Neither logic nor cites are required in the pit. So, to cut it down to basics, fuck the OP and all he stands for.
Yes sir; I am properly chastened and sincerely contrite. The problem is that I am ancient and feeble and sometimes misplace the few wits I still possess. For the record, I’ve had a migraine most of the day and my favorite medication did not knock me out the way it usually does.
But, but, the Op is clearly an abolitionist. He’s very proud of that fact and he wants to be sure everybody knows that he’s an abolitionist.
It’s important to his self esteem that people should understand his position on these matters, no matter how unusual and bizarre his abolitionist position is in these days of proliferating slavery.
How can you so casually say “fuck him” when all he wants is for everybody to understand just how terribly, terribly sincere he is about his abolitionist feelings?