I think he was a Pope. (Or perhaps there was more than one.)
hardygrrl I will be sending you the cleaning bill which I am going to incur when I have the slurpie that I just snorted out my nose, removed from my white pants. Thankyouverymuch.
Sometimes I am so flabbergasted at the hypocrisy on this board. com2kid makes a perfectly valid point that heterosexual promiscuity and the sex that follows can have an impact on someone else’s life, aka YOUR CHILD if you get pregnant.
When some poor idiot a while back admitted that he sometimes takes his baby out of the carseat while driving, he got flamed to certain death, and with good reason! The so-called morally correct tenet of “it’s your body, do with it what you will” loses its charm when your actions hurt someone else aka AN INNOCENT aka not involved in your decisions.
Do I really have to spell this out? Taking your baby out of its carseat is choosing your convenience over a risk of compromising your child’s safety, which I always believed was wrong. Those engaging in repeated promiscuous sex choose their sexual desires over the risk of harming the child that has a distinct possibility of being produced during your good time.
Gays can have sex all they want and never have a child (for obvious reasons). Why is this wrong to point out? When the future of a child is at stake, however, precautions should be taken.
NightRabbit: I think people are more pissed at the “I don’t care if all the homosexuals die” part, not the “I don’t want the tiny, tiny babies to get hurt” part.
Although, in fairness, I don’t think Com2Kid was singling out homosexuals, he seems to also not care how many heterosexuals die, which is… Well, still pretty hideous, actually. Where’s the love, Com2Kid? Where’s the love?
How about I answer this exclusivly rather then inclusivly;
People who don’t desire f*ck everyone they lay eyes on.
:rolleyes:
on a more serious note; unless you are a follower of the Original Sin school or thought (and if you are PLEEEEASE mention it ASAP so I can proceed to ignore you for the rest of this discussion, because it will go nowheres fast), then a newborn baby who cannot even walk meets my criteria for innocent.
Or, as somebody or another who is now likely dead once said;
“We are all born innocent, and then we open our mouths”
Or alternativly “, and then we learn to talk.”
Depending on if you are going for the “first breath” or “first words” emphisis.
But yah, any sickfuck who would even RISK giving a Baby AIDs/HIV deserves the most horrific and painful of deaths. Likewise goes for anybody who would risk birthing a baby with damn nearly any serious STDs (other STDs besides just HIV/AIDs are passed onto the child in often times horrific ways)
Well, it’s late here so this is going to be brief.
Com2Kid: I think this is a human problem, not one based on gender and/or sexual identity. Saying things like ‘gays can have all the sex they want’ seems to devalue them as human beings. This is something I most definitely do not think is a good thing.
Miller: I understand what you (and matt) are saying–I simply don’t understand the reasoning/justification for it. Yes, I read the previous threads and even waded through a good chunk of the ‘Ask the Gay Guy’ threads in an attempt to understand where you’re coming from–no dice. I don’t understand what people are looking for by pursuing a promiscuous lifestyle, much like I don’t understand what people think they’re going to find by abusing drugs for example. In my mind, they are the same thing. That is why I speak out against the posts where people make posts bragging about being sluts (and again, if it’s a joke I got whooshed big time) when it looks like people are giving them nothing but positive reinforcement for such attitudes. It just doesn’t seem like an emotionally or physically healthy thing to do. I don’t troll the boards looking for sex posts, on the contrary I tend to avoid them; on the other when I’m reading a thread and one of those comments arises I post my views. It just seems like we’re talking past each other here. Anyway, it boils down to the fact that I just don’t understand what is so awesome about McSex which would make risking dying of some slow, wasting disease (or at best turning over a good chunk of your life/money to treating it) worth it. That’s the core of it. Sleep time (and yes, I have ‘boy bits’ as Myrnalene politely pointed out). 
Love ends when lust takes over as the primary motivator.
Besides, I am asocial anyways, I don’t have to give a rats rear about other people. 
Actually not true, I spend way to much of my time doing volunteer work and helping others, but if somebody wants to go off and kill themselves then they are more then welcome too. I am not going to persecute anybody for their stupid ass choices. Well, I may call them stupid, but I am not going to accuse them of any moral/legal crime.
But I am apathetic towards those who would, as stated above, Do Seriously Dumb Shit.
As long as it is TRUELY a victimless crime.
As an aside, this is why I am anti-drugs, anybody who says drugs are a victimless crime can shove a glass bong up their ass and do some sit ups, I am half-assed blind and have loads of other disorders thanks to the effects of drugs on myself in fetus form, any dip shit who says drugs don’t hurt anybody is not only insulting me but insulting all the others that I know who have been hurt by drugs far worse then I have.
But last time I checked homosexual sex is the only alternative besides abstinence which has a 100% success rate for non-pregnancy (well, that and some of the kinkier forms of heterosexual sexual contact, but this isn’t a dictionary of sexology), so indeed, I have no problem with it.
Nor do I have a problem with heterosexuals having sex in wedlock in a drug free environment with neither partner having STDs that could be passed on to or otherwise effect the fetus/baby.
Just when things get outside of that that I begin to shout foul.
Fuck up your own life, but don’t fuck up the lives of others, and that includes not fucking up the lives of others by fucking.
(sorry, had to do the pun.)
Doh, sorry about that. I was more aiming for
“100% chance of no Sperm + Egg matching == OK”
Should have paired up the homo/hetero mentionings of that, they came at opposite ends of the post.
I know Homosexual couples who have adopted and are making EXCELLENT parents, much better so then 99.9% of the hetero sexual parents out there. If anything they have a tendency towards valuing their children more and are finer human beings then a lot of the hetero sexual parents that I know.
This reminds me of something that I wanted to do on the last day of High school but did not have the guts to.
I wanted to go around to all the males and females dressed in an obvious “I worry waaaay to much about my sexual representation in the physical world” and go “slut, whore, slut slut whore” and so on down the line.
Unfortunately I was barred both by being a complete coward and by not knowing of a good universally accepted word for manwhore that held the same sort of stigmata that slut/whore does when aimed towards females. Product of living in western society I guess. 
(it does piss me off that there is no word in English to properly express by disdain with promiscuous males. Ugh, cruddy riggin friggen no good hybrid bastard language. . . . LOL. Ok ok ok otherwise a great language, but darn it, MAJOR lacking there! That and a good non-discriminatory gender neutral singular. )
Sorry for the gender confusion, Wabbit. In the interest of full disclosure, I also have boy bits. In a jar. Mwahahaha.
Anywho, I should mention that I’m not necessarily arguing in favor of promiscuity, nor am I promiscuous myself. Although I am willing to learn. I don’t have a problem with people who are promiscuous, and I don’t have a problem with people who are celibate, except when the person in question is me. Speaking of not understanding where the other person is coming from, I don’t understand why other people’s sex lives, or their drug use, for that matter, concerns you at all. Especially when they are fully informed about their choices and the risks those choices entail. People make a lot of risky decisions in their lives. Some times they pay off, sometimes they come back and bite you in the ass. Why single out sex and drugs? And what’s your stance on Rock’n’roll?
As for what people are “pursuing” when they get high and sleep around, well, this is a toally off-the-wall, wild-assed guess, but I think the answer just might be “A good time.” Yes, sex and drugs can be fun. They can also be dangerous. Sometimes, what makes them fun is the fact that they are dangerous. However, the risks involved in having sex and doing drugs are manageable, as are all things in life. Much as people who find pleasure in throwing themselves out of airplanes can manage the risk involved by wearing a parachute, so to can someone having sex manage the risk by using a condom. Sometimes condoms break. Sometimes parachutes don’t open. Sometimes you fall over dead from an anyeurism while standing in your kitchen, as happened to an aunt of mine. Such is life.
Wabbit’s original post offended people because, quite frankly, a lot of gay men are getting tired that the first thing many heterosexuals think of when they think of gay sex is disease. You can try to separate the “gay issue” from the “slut issue” if you like, but it’s not helpful to understanding why so many people were upset with your post.
Gay men are far, far, far more likely to be lectured on safe sex than heterosexuals, by heterosexuals. When my sister was in her mid-twenties, she was very promiscuous, and no one ever gave her an AIDS lecture. For most of my life, I (the gay man) have been the more prudish of the two of us, but I think most of my straight friends have lectured me at least once.
Yes, this is partly due to the AIDS crisis. But I worry that the association of “gay = disease” has deeper, and older, psychological roots. And the religious right often uses the fear of AIDS to whip up paranoia against us, portraying us as “Typhoid Maries.”
I would go as far as to say that the average gay man knows as much as a person can know about AIDS without having a license to practice medecine, or a job in medical research. How it’s spread, rates of infection, relative risks, how to put on a condom, the difference between HIV and AIDS, the various treatments, side-effects of medication, even the nuts-and-bolts details of how the virus gets inside a cell and does its dirty work.
Not just AIDS, either. I know more about herpes, gonnorhea, pubic lice, etc., than I ever wanted to know. And given how scrupulous I am about safe sex, it’s likely far more than I’ll ever need to know.
Com2Kid, at first, I thought you were homophobic, but now I see you’re just generally misanthropic. You seem to see little or no value to lives of human beings who are promiscuous. That might not be bigoted, but it sure is lacking in compassion. Can I ask why?
[sub]And does anyone else find it odd we’re getting lectures on promiscuity from people with the usernames Wabbit and NightRabbit?[/sub]
Well, speaking on the Kay Kay debacle-- of which I was a willing and eager participant-- my problem with her was that she was all for promiscuity, but only if you were promiscuous on her terms.
Example: Kay Kay could give bj’s to anyone she wanted. Co-worker could not belly-dance because it made said co-worker look like a slut. WTF? Only Kay was allowed sexual expression, everyone else was a slut.
Sex is not bad. Sex is good. As long as you understand what you are investing in the act and you stick to your own moral standards-- why the fuck do you care what anybody else does?
Biggirl, the anything but girl until she got married.
And, speaking yet again of not understanding where others may be coming from, if one’s sex life (or drug use, or anything else, for that matter) is no one’s business but one’s own, then why the seeming need for some to post about it on a public message board? I’d think that as soon as someone decides to do just that, they lose any right to claim, “It’s none of your concern.”
Following this topic back through to its origin:
Wabbit started this as a response to something Esprix said in the “Gobear, what is up” thread posted by musicguy. That thread was a response to an argument between musicguy and gobear about gobear’s response to one of musicguy’s posts in the “Ex-boyfriend inventory on a sunday morning” thread.
Which brings us back to scottevil’s OP, which managed to spawn several threads in the Pit and GD about promiscuity and homosexuality, without once mentioning that he had sex with a guy (though it was strongly implied). That thread was about the behaviour of an ex-boyfriend, not about the poster’s sex life.
The debate over promiscuity, health, and safety, was a hijack. Scott only discussed having sex after he had already been lectured about using condoms and going home with strangers.
I guess I agree with the OP to a certain extent, but not in the context to which he responded to the thread in question.
What I’m saying is (and this may be irrelevant) is that I wish there was a tactful way of saying to Esprix and whoever else brags about bagging everyone in town that “I HOPE you’re being safe about it because you’re an important and valuable person that I don’t want to lose to illness or death.”
Just like when your mom says “drive safe” every time you leave the house. I wouldn’t want to sound preachy…but just let that person know I care about they’re well being.
let me ask you, tho’ jarbaby, how far does it go?
In a thread about how much you like the perfect grilled cheese sammich, a posting about cholesteral and the dangers of heart disease?
in a thread about a new piercing in a fun place, a posting about potential dangers down the road?
in a thread about that new car you just bought, dire warnings about driving sober etc.? (note, not in a thread about driving under the influence)
etc.
::applauds::
Wouldn’t want to give the wrong impression.
As I said, it is there choice. If somebody wants to go and do something horribly stupid, well heck, compassion just doesn’t enter into it. I consider it the same way I consider riding a motorcycle or going sky diving. ::shrugs:: Stupid is as stupid does and all that, your choices are your own.
Right, Jar, but the difference is, that’s your MOM. We have our own moms. I care about my roommate, but I don’t lecture him about safe sex (and vice versa, mercifully) because I know he knows his shit. I appreciate the motivation, but do you see how the means of expressing it can be seen as patronizing?
Do you want me to tell you what we find in “promiscuity”*? Pleasure. Which, if I’m not mistaken, is why people sky-dive, motorcycle, race yachts, and engage in other activities that can be risky. But nobody gives them safety lectures except their coaches.
[sub]*Promiscuity: having more sex than someone who accuses you as promiscuity.
wring, I said I didn’t agree with the OPs response in the aforementioned thread.
But if a friend came up to me and said “holy smokes, I banged seven guys last night at a sex club on clark street”, I would hope that it wouldn’t be out of line for me to say “Well, I hope you were safe.”
I mean, I don’t care if you’re into gang bangs, but if you’re a friend of mine I feel that it should be OK for me to wish you well.
I also give people lectures in why those are stupid things to do to!
Bleh.
as==>of
Actually I refer to it as any sex that happens outside of wedlock (I am all for homosexuals having marriage rights, no problem with that) or outside of a looong term relationship (for those who do not like the institution of marriage but still plan on spending the rest of their lives together)
Quite frankly being motivated by pleasure is waaaay down there on the evolutionary scale.
If society spent as much time working on self-education as they did collectively on getting laid, well hell, we’d be to mars by now and have cures for tons more diseases.
Uh oh. You’re opening a real can of worms there. Get on your asbestos suit, Kid. You’re gonna need it.
- s.e.