It's official. I'm a pensioner. (Warning: Wallow thread!)

This isn’t really what I’d call a happy posting. If you don’t want to get sprayed with bucketsful of angst go somewhere else. It’s not a bitch posting, either though. What I’m announcing is really a good thing for me. But it’s far from being an unmixed blessing.

To offer some background for people who may not know much of the history I’ve put up on the Dope about myself, I am a chronic depression sufferer. I’ve had two major meltdowns (No one was endangered, just couldn’t work anymore, barely fed myself, didn’t shower - classic depressive fugue symptoms.) and have been unemployed for several years, now. I’ve been unable to find work since then, to the extent of I don’t even get call back from McDonald’s.

(I suspect that the reason for that is the hiatus in my employment history, and the fact that the reason for leaving the jobs I list as simply, “medical.” I also suspect I have a strong case for an ADA suit, but I can’t bring myself to pursue one, because at the end of the day, while I think I’d win such a suit, I’d get two thirds of a moderate settlement, and be given a McJob. Somehow that doesn’t seem an attractive recompense for the humiliation and hassle of a lawsuit.)

For the past several years I’ve been getting my medical treatment through the VA, because of my status as an honorably discharged veteran. I really can’t say enough good about my local VA. The doctors, and admin that I’ve dealt with have all been supportive, and very humane. I know of the stories we’ve been seeing for returning vets from the Iraq mess, and am very sorry that my experience isn’t what they’ve been seeing.

This past winter it was suggested to me that the VA offers a pension for vets who have become medically disabled, even if they’re not suffering from a service-related condition. After some hassles I got an application in for this, and have been waiting to hear back from the VA ever since.

To add to the irony, and angst, the final psych evaluation was done on my birthday this year. It’s hard to feel good about turning another year older when you’re telling a complete stranger that you don’t know if you’ll ever be able to get another job. It’s nothing that I haven’t thought, or said, before, but somehow the timing was particularly poignant. It’s been a major reason that I’ve been feeling more down than usual these past several months, I think.

The reason I’m posting, now, is that, well, I’ve heard back. I’ve been approved for the VA’s non-service disability pension, and will be getting enough money from the VA each month for me to meet my modest needs. It’s not enough to get me above the poverty line, of course, but I didn’t expect more. And it will prove to be a huge boon to me and my family, who’ve been helping me out as they could.

But it’s still a blow to have a board of strangers tell me that, yeah, it is hopeless. (Well, not hopeless, but “completely and permanently disabled.”) I’m glad and grateful for the pension and the money.

But I’m also feeling a lot of blah now, too.

While I was growing up my father had what is now considered the first collection of New Yorker cartoons. I recall seeing one in that book that feels particularly apropos today. It was a play in three or four panels. The first panel had an older couple walking out to their mailbox, both looking healthy and happy to be alive. The man had a cane, but was twirling it like a swagger stick, and the woman was walking around inspecting the plants along the path. The second panel showed them getting their mail. The third panel had the husband announcing: “Look! Our first Social Security payment!” Then in the fourth panel the reaction hits, and he’s now using the cane to help support the weight of the world, and she’s leaning on him almost as heavily.

sigh

Like I said, mundane, pointless, and lots of angst. I just had to share somewhere.

Honestly, thanks for sharing. As someone who also suffers from pretty intense depression at times, its just good to hear someone else’s experiences.

I’m sorry about your medical situation, but happy that you will be getting financial support! I also have chronic depression and anxiety, and I’ve just returned to work after a 2 month hiatus. It’s not going well…

This is what I am afraid might happen to me, too. I completely understand your feelings.

Ms. Pumpkin, I do hope you’ll be able to make going back to work work for you. Among other things - if you’re not a vet with access to this pension, a positive result in just four months is incredibly fast compared to the usual route with the Social Security Administration for SSID. There they tend to take six months to deny your initial claim, then you usually need to get representation to work through the appeal process.

As much as the VA’s interview and investigative process set me off balance, it was something that I was doing to myself - not something imposed by the investigators. That is not something I can say about any of the cases I’ve heard of people going to the SSA.

So, I really, really hope you’ll be able to keep working.

Thank you both, Ms. Pumpkin, and Push You Down for your kind words.

OtakuLoki, I’m glad the VA came through for you. That’s gotta be a relief, not having to worry about providing for yourself.

Is the pension set up so that you could work a little bit without losing benefits, if something comes up that you’d like to do? Maybe that’d help with the “blah” feeling.

I can relate, a little bit. My work life ended early too, and some days I feel like I failed at something very basic – working until retirement age. Working part-time helps with that.

Like many public assitance programs it’s got a dollar for dollar reduction, if I start earning money. So if I take on some part time work, the amount I get from the pension is reduced by exactly how much I’d make (not take home, btw, but make) at the job. So I’m not sure that trying to find part time work would be a good idea from that point of view. :frowning:

What a ridiculous policy! It forces people to work for cash, under the table. This pension doesn’t take you above the poverty level, so how are you to get ahead?

Color me baffled. I’m glad you’re getting something though. Re the NYer cartoon: it’s all in how you look at it. You served our country-now we are helping you (sort of). Age/ability/health has nothing to do with it. Good luck.

When you start drawing Social Security, will the VA pension be reduced, or will you get to keep all of it?

Well I know you don’t know me but I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who have survived so long on this world. I work for a new car dealership in the parts department and older people have been some of our finest employees. They have the morals and values that the youth of today know nothing about and usually know the area in which they live very well. I hope this gives you even a glimmer of hope. As a matter of fact I know a service manager from Rochester so say the word and I’ll find out who you could talk to. And your a veteran too? My hat off to you Sir.

OtakuLoki, I’m glad you were able to get what you need. Not being able to work due to depression has always been my biggest fear. When I was on disability, I tried to remember that it’s there for the people who need it, and I needed it then, just as you need your pension now. I also understand about the employment history. My last company was pretty obvious about forcing me out, but it wasn’t worth it to me to fight it. Sure, I could have filed an ADA claim, but it’s so much harder to prove when it’s related to mental illness of any sort, even if it’s “just” depression. Besides, I would have had to keep working there!

I’m very glad you were able to get your pension with a minimum of difficulty. I know people who’ve just given up on getting SSA, because it was so difficult.

I wish you all the best, and I hope that the pension will help relieve some of the worry and stress you’ve undoubtedly been under.

Really, it’s not to help the pensioner get ahead. It’s to allow the veteran to survive. And while this pension is technically going to be giving me less that the poverty line, it’s also going to pay all my bills, and give me a little money each month after food is taken care of, for luxuries.

If I had a family to care for that would be different. But as it is… it’s enough.

Auntie Pam, AIUI, if I were to qualify for SSID, the one award or the other would be reduced to reflected the other income. You can’t double dip on the disability supports. I don’t know if regular SS is any different, or not. At the moment that’s many years away.

Thank you; I hope so, too. That’s what really stresses me out, the entire SSA process, and the idea of having to not only admit to myself, but try to PROVE to them, that I can’t do it anymore. I’m definitely trying to hold on to my job!

When I got my disability pension from the state, the Personel Counselor for the school system told me not to bother trying to get Social Security Disability. I took her word for it and didn’t apply. I was too sick to think for myself.

The woman knew nothing about what I was going through or what depression was all about. I was fortunate enough to have a next door neighbor who worked for a hospital helping to evaluate what programs people needed. She was the one who convinced me that I had every reason and right to apply for disability. She was absolutely right. I was granted my disability from SS.

I told my psychiatrist that I felt guilty not going to work and not being able to concentrate. He said that most people with depression do feel guilty. That’s part of the illness.

These labels don’t mean that you can’t change and grow and be creative. Maybe you won’t work for pay, but you can always be of use. You can voluteer. That way you can do it when you are up to it and stay home when you aren’t.

Give yourself permission to be happy on those days when you can be. Don’t rent space in your head to much else if you have a choice.

Thank you for your service to our country. Get some good rest and don’t blame yourself now. Cut yourself some slack like you would for your buddies.