I have ilk? Hakuna has been kind enough (and faster than me. Curses) to post a link to the boundaries, and I’ve seen noone in this thread arguing that the boundaries already provided should be abolished. Do you have a cite for your claim?
you slowpoke poopy head
er…wait…was that too far outside the boundaries? 
I rarely (and I mean rarely) post mean things about anyone–but damn it, I will defend the rights of those who want to. If this board feels someone has stepped over the line, they seem to do a pretty damn good job of busting their chops. Those posters objecting seem to have a pretty ironic way of expressing thier displeasure. Seems it is more of what I do is fine, but what you do is terrible. Glad we have moderators here who define this rather then subjective posters
Well played! But this is not the first time QG has been directed to the rules of the Pit. She seems to think that, because we don’t share her boundaries, she can allege that we (and the SDMB) have none. Her continued deliberate obtuseness on the how the Pit works is intentional and getting really, really old and makes me question her intelligence and/or sanity.
I just read that thread over yesterday and was thinking how it applied to this one. First, there were a couple big differences. In the case of the check-writer, she created the OP in the Pit, so the thread was already here. As I said earlier in this thread, if the thread starts in the Pit, I’m more likely to call it fair game since the person decided to post in the Pit. A couple people said that RSSchen et al should have known that it would end up in the Pit. I can’t make that assumption. If she knew that, she might not have started it in IMHO. Of course, anything can end up in the Pit, but you generally don’t start a thread somewhere else thinking that someone will take it there.
And in the check-writing thread, except for one comment that I noticed about having her picture in grocery stores, there weren’t many unrelated comments about her personal life, although there was one other one creating dire predictions about her finances. And yes, I was pretty uncomfortable about those posts also. I almost linked them here yesterday as examples of things that seem to step on the line for me. Of course, the examples in the RSSchen thread were much more powerful, so I’m glad I didn’t do that. And as I said, I was less concerned about those because the OP author started the thread in the Pit to begin with, so she knew the possibilities that it could turn that way.
post in other forum are still public, folks casn, and do, express disapproval. another doper may choose to pit them. but no one is required to answer- or even read it. handy was rather infamous in this regard. I still disagree w /you.
Let me change that word “acceptable” to “jackalish” which is what we’re discussing. As you say, it doesn’t matter whether I think it’s acceptable or not, but I’m just trying to describe what I’m thinking about when I’m agreeing with the toned-down version of the OP.
First, she asked for the opinions in IMHO, not the Pit. If it continued in IMHO, the name-calling that happened here wouldn’t be allowed. That’s the reason it got here–because someone wanted to name-call and got chastised in IMHO.
Second, isn’t that what this thread is about? Autolycus saw the behavior and is calling people on it in a Pit thread. I’m explaining why I agree and to what extent.
And yes, I don’t have a third, but I’m not going to do the Hi Opal thing here.
Happily, I either live in a nicer world than you or in a cave because I don’t hear those kinds of insults in real life. . . ever.
I can’t speak for Liberal. I can only speak for myself. And if I were insulted for my internet behavior, I’d be less hurt than if I were insulted for my real life behavior.
That’s more crystal ball-gazing. I’ve never heard anything like this about anyone who has had an affair. . . either behind their back or to their face. And I can’t say if RSSchen lives in my version of the world or yours, but I can say that neither of us knows that answer for certain.
She didn’t have to read or post to the Pit thread. I bet it would have run out of steam way before it reached 12 pages if she’d stayed out of it.
And it took until page… what 10? Before anyone got specific about it.
I don’t hear them often, but I have heard things of that nature. Ever see someone react to finding out they’ve been cheated on? It’s not pretty.
I have. But the bottom line is, name-calling is allowed in the Pit. No one has to read or post to the Pit. When I hear people called jackals, I expect much, much worse than name-calling to be discussed.
While I’ve never seen behavior like this in real life, I have seen conflicts. And real life conflicts generally involve two people who are having a misunderstanding or difference of opinion. They’re the ones yelling at each other. This was different because people were yelling when the person they’re presumably yelling at didn’t even enter the thread until pages later. So it would be the real life equivalent of either screaming into the air or talking to themselves, or even worse yet, standing in a room screaming at others while the object of the upset hasn’t even shown up yet. Your analogy breaks down there.
I’m not disagreeing with you here.
I was just pointing out that different people have different purposes in coming to the internet. From your comments, you see it more as entertainment. Others see it as more authentic communication.
For instance, Rubystreak has made the point several times that RSSchen et al would have gotten this same treatment in real life if she went public. For the reasons you mention above, there’s some doubt about that.
You’re right. Name-calling is the least jackalish of behaviors. Most of my cited posts from the dramarama thread were not so good. But hey, I got all worked up about what I thought I saw, posted this OP, shit happened, and now here we are, cant change that.
For me, name-calling is jackal behavior only when it comes after several other legitimate flames of a person, and the only purpose of such name-calling is to attack the person and/or make the attacker feel morally superior. My example situation with the 4 theoretical reply types hopefully clarified what I mean.
Also, being a jackal is allowed of course, shit, some people enjoy it. I just dont like it (usually), that’s all.
IF she told as many people IRL all the shit that she told on the SDMB, and all those people could talk amongst themselves, I have no doubt the reactions would run the gamut as they did here. So in a sense, you’re right that it’s highly unlikely she’d ever have all those reactions at once, in one place. However, it was a fairly easily predicted response, and she could have ignored it but didn’t.
For those making a distinction between posting history and real life history, I contend that posting about your real life is the equivalent of putting on a reality show. If your thread about your real life gets moved to the pit, that is the equivalent to Howard Stern goofing on your reality show. If you would find it hurtful, your best bet would be not to listen.
Really, I would recommend not putting your real life on the internet in the first place.
I realize it’s hard for a prudish hick such as yourself to imagine that there’s life outside the US. But guess what?
As for a reply to SA, why bother? Worthless scum remains just that, no matter how hard it tries to fool others into thinking otherwise.
TTFN
Not at all. Groups of people complain about other people without them being there all the time. Happens at work. Happens at the bar. Happens at parties. Happens at home. Happens in the pit as well. I believe the term is “a bitchfest.”
Maybe. Maybe not. We don’t know much about the people she spends time with in real life. There may have been some two faced niceties exchanged while harsh words were spoken behind her back. There may have been people ignoring her. Some people may have gotten in her face about it. From the percentage of the board that defended her actions but not herself, hurled insults or harsh words at her, or simply didn’t post at all, I think we were probably pretty close to the mark as far as that goes. The only real difference is that in real life these actions would be performed by people much closer to her than anonymous posters on the interwebs: friends, peers, family, etc.
The only reason I mentioned above about why it wouldn’t be said would be that it isn’t socially acceptable. That’s not the as big of a buffer as you seem to think it is. What it comes down to is that while it is frowned upon, that sort of language isn’t illegal. Much in the same way that while it isn’t nice, it’s not a rule violation to say it in the pit.
I thought I was done here, but I guess I’m not.
This exact thing happens IRL. Sometimes someone does something that others find egregious and they get together and talk about that person and the actions, frequently using harsh language (especially if I’m in the group). Maybe you live in a nicer world than I live in.
Just so you know, I didn’t participate in the particular thread that set **Auto ** off. But that was just happenstance–I was away from the board or I would surely have put my two cents in. That kind of behavior (and the person who thinks that behavior is just peachy) is horrible and I know someone who is doing it, I’ll let them know what I think. If you ask for my opinion, you’re going to get it. If the venue isn’t appropriate for what I’m about to say (say IMHO or a staff meeting), you can be sure I’ll find a more appropriate venue to say it. I will not feel obligated to keep my mouth shut.
When you post here, you take your chances. This is not news to anyone. There is no obligation to read any thread, respond to any poster, or defend your actions. IRL if you tell people about your actions, you take your chances, too.
And everyone should realize that people have different ways of communication. Since this venue allows me to forcefully, creatively, and invectively call people out on their fuckups, I take that liberty if I so choose. This is something that I actually appreciate about the Dope–it allows us to pick our forums and our comfort level. No one is ever required to come to the Pit. Many posters never post here, and many profess to not read it. Those people are dealing with their problems with the Pit in the proper way.
In my world, if that poster had told a group of people that she was having an affair, the first words she would have heard is “Jesus, you’re a fucking bitch!” Not “With all due respect you sound like you’re being VERY selfish.” See, in my real world, nothing would stop us from speaking our minds immediately. And that’s what my real world response would be (you can ask my former sister-in-law for a cite).
QG, despite her frequently hilarious, dead-on parody of a provincial American fussbudget, es canadiense.
You know, our 51st state. Famed for their export of fine syrups and low-budget TV movies in which the sky is perpetually overcast and otherwise normal-looking people say “aboot.”
I’m sure that, living outside the U.S. herself, this must come as quite the revelation. Putz. :rolleyes:
Indeed. Might get exposed again for being either the lying or feeble-minded, recollection-challenged schmuck you showed yourself to be earlier.
Why are you being so mean? Too bad being a hypocrite isn’t physically painful.
Neither do I. Then again, I avoid people with anger management problems and I don’t associate with boors.
What does it say about you that you can generate that much bile within yourself? Do you really think that level of venom is laudatory?
Not to mention, what you are saying is that you can type out things here that you would never say IRL.
As you yourself said without them being there. But the posters who get the jackal treatment are here.
See what you said there? ** Isn’t socially acceptable**. Why is that? Could it be because behaviour that causes harm to others is generally deemed unacceptable?
The names which were called (not only in that one case) were personal and vicious. They are hurled with intent to wound. Don’t be telling me it’s ‘humour’ because that’s bull. So what, exactly, is admirable about wanting to wound someone just because you happen to think that person has done a bad thing?
Do you truly think that calling names causes harm? Or can’t you point out some behavior that’s allowed in the Pit that actually does cause harm? You seem to be very easily damaged, or think others are, if you think some nasty words on a computer screen are enough to wound.