All I see in this thread is Democrat vs Republican hatred. Nothing cited gives any reason why Bush made the decision, of course. Nope; just, “Let’s bash a Bush.” You should be ashamed of yourselves.
We should be ashamed that we feel pissed off that Jeb Bush put a woman with the cogitating abilities of a toddler - who was raped, by a 70 year old no less - in serious mortal danger (and up for serious emotional trauma) by not letting her have an abortion, for political gain?
Please elaborate.
I’m neither Republican or a Democrat. The quote I used was from an Autism support group (not even a US one) which was a reprint of an Associated Press report.
By attempting to appoint a guardian for a fetus, he was attempting to invent fetal rights which do not exist (in the State of Florida). The “women’s rights” side of the arguement is that this could then be used to ban abortion (as guardians would be vetted by a Jeb appointed board). This could then be used to get votes at the next election.
Hope that isn’t too complicated for you.
Since there is no remotely valid reason to force the woman to risk her life to give birth to her rapist’s baby, it has nothing to do with Democracts or Republicans. It has to do with common fucking decency.
Can you think of an even remotely plausible reason for his decision? Did a soldier from the future tell Jeb the kid would turn out to be John Conner and save the world from SkyNet?
The only remotely plausible explanation is that he belongs to the “all abortions are bad, even when the mother’s life is at risk or if it’s the result of rape (or both, as in this case)” camp, or in its thrall. I don’t care what political party that is, it’s idiotic to put a fetus before the well being of the mother.
Ok, that’s actually a good one.
Downright fucking hilarious. Tell you what, I’m in an awfully optimistic mood today. Why don’t you bring me down to earth by elaborating a little more on why Jeb Bush’s “I don’t give a fuck about women’s rights” policy makes him such a great guy?
I think we’re all in agreement that said piece of human shit is, in fact, a piece of shit. The problem here as I see it is that you are standing behind Jeb Bush when he appoints himself Lord And Proprietor of this woman’s body, going so far as to block the actions of the Florida courts. In essence, he is being a tremendous dick.
You say, only because he did something you don’t agree with.
If it were reversed, if he used his power to allow the woman to have an abortion, he’d be a swell guy, correct?
And you say “being a tremendous dick” in the present form. Let’s not forget, this is old news. Where was this thread when it was actually news?
Well, duh. And the rapist is only an asshole if you disagree with rape. Any more bulletins of the blindingly obvious you feel compelled to share?
Indeed, because then he would be acting in accordance with a) the law, b) medical advice and c) common decency. Instead, he acted in flagrant contravention of all three. Of these three, only the last can reasonably be considered dependent on ones “opinion”. Jeb went against the law, and in doing so endangered a woman’s life. You seem to think that because in the end he did no harm, it’s okay. This is a very weird thing to think.
Yes. In my blind partisan outrage I have condemned Jeb for doing something bad just because I didn’t agree. :rolleyes:
Others have already pointed out the fallacies in your conclusions–as per your last remarks, I don’t think the relevance of a particular discussion has an expiration date. Especially when it involves abortion and a member of the Bush family (whose name has been mentioned as a canidate for the presidency in '08)–this is still relevant. And even if it weren’t, we still talk about World War II and the book of Genesis, don’t we?
(Oh but where were the threads when those were actually news?!)
It just seems to me that a big deal would have been made about this while it was current. I don’t recall seeing any threads on it, though. Maybe I just missed them.
So, what’s the word down in Florida, where this is more relevent. Are people marching in the streets? Impeachment in the State House? Recall election? Constitutional crises? Are the masses enraged?
And when this kid grows up, who here will look her in the eye and say “I’d rather you had been aborted”?
Someone light up that strawman.
This isn’t an abortion debate. Just because something turns out alright against all medical advice doesn’t make it a good decision. If I pull the pin on a hand grenade, then hand it to you and run away, and the grenade fizzles miraculously, it doesn’t make it OK for me to run around handing live grenades to everyone. Got it?
I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware that there was a statute of limitations on how long after the commission of a gross injustice people are still allowed to be outraged by it. Here’s a thread about the history of racial motivated mob justice in the US. Why don’t you go over there and shit in that thread for a while, instead?
So, I take it that if there were massive protests about this, you’d be right on board? You seem like the type who’s willing to take up any crusade so long as he’s sure he’s on the popular side.
I’ll do it. No problem. I can think of all sorts of people I’d be willing to say this to.
A lot of 'em post on this board.
Hey, pkbites, as long as we’re discussing extraneous hypotheticals…
Are you willing to tell a rape victim who suffers health complications such that giving birth could cause her death that she must carry a pregnancy to term? Yes? Okay, what if she were incapable of making that decision on her own? Would you force it on her?
You’re kidding right? I don’t care if my stances are popular or not. They sure aren’t here. Doesn’t matter. I don’t guage my positions on what others think.
I’m just curious if the populace down there is as upset about it as some on this thread are. I was down there for 3 weeks in December. I don’t recall reading/hearing anything about it in the local news.
But those are people you personally don’t like or are pissed at. You would go up to a [relative] stranger and says this to them? With no prevocation on their part? 
That is mean!
Myself, I don’t believe in killing someone just because their father is a criminal!
Says the man who not 5 posts ago was using Florida opinion polls to, er, gauge his opinions on what others think.
Do you have a scarecrow franchise or something?
Not exactly. I was just curious about what people down there felt about it/him.
Not being down there right now, I’m ignorant to the situation. Regardless of what it is, it wouldn’t sway my opinion of him. I wouldn’t change my mind about something just to be on the popular side of an arguement.
I don’t get it.
Neither do I. I’m one of those rabid pro-lifers who oppose abortion even in the case of rape/incest for just this reason.
That isn’t the issue here. The issue is the governor of Florida effectively forcing a severely physically and mentally disabled woman to carry a pregnancy to term, even though there was strong medical evidence that attempting to carry and deliver the child wouldresult in her death
The woman dodged the bullet. That is a good thing, but I still can’t countenance forcing this woman to carry a pregnancy to term at risk of her own life is something even I can’t countenance.
This is a view, that although I disagree with (because I don’t feel a fetus is a person), I can respect.
But, as Thea Logica stated, that’s not the issue. The issue is forcing a woman to risk her life to carry a child, expecially one that she did not choose to have, or even choose to have the sex that created the child.
This view that the fetus somehow has a greater right to live than the mother is a view I cannot respect, or even understand. It’s incomprehensible.
Like I said earlier, if this were a current situation, if the woman were pregnant right now, I might be convinced of the self-defense argument for abortion.
But that’s in the past, so I’m sticking with the “all’s well that ends well” position.
Alright, it’s not really “well”, but what’s done is done. Bush’s decision resulted in [my opinion] the best possible outcome in a bad situation.
Perhaps the Governor is wiser than we give him credit for.