Jess Hart, It's on, Babe

[Scylla]

@PlainJain

Yes. Please quote the part of your OP that explains otherwise.

Jain:

No offense, well actually yes offense intended, but I don’t think you’re up to reading my shit if you think that. I don’t think my stuff is challenging, unique, or even good, but it does require something a little more involved than a totally literal interpretation.
For example, by quoting her from Fox news with the comment she made that men should wait until they are spoken to before they speak.

I then said that I wasn’t comment on her comment, instead I was going to comment on her looks.

Now, I don’t think you need a fucking master’s degree in literature to guess that my comment on her looks was actually a response to what she said. An insult for an insult.

Claudia Schiffer is good because she was nice. JH was bad because she was acting like a bitch. Rather than respond to her comment in a way that was obvious (I think what was wrong with her comment was fairly straightforward and required no elucidation, though apparently not, as Dio and a couple of others showed up to defend it (which was especially ridiculous as it turned out she meant it tongue and cheek as something obviously indefensable, but hey, that’s Dio, and sadly some people just are that stupid.)

Where was I? Oh yeah, her comment required no direct response, would have been redundant as her comment was self-defeating.

So, I attacked her another way. I think she is a bit skinny fat, a little bit technically obese. I don’t like her look. I don’t think it’s a healthy body image, nor a particularly attractive one to my eyes.

From this, you think, and a couple of other literalist morons think that I have made some sort of empirical diagnosis. You miss the point.

If I were to say you were so stupid that you couldn’t make toast, and in order to refute you actually went to the toaster and toasted a piece of bread to see if you could do it, and then if you took a picture of it and sent it to me to prove I was wrong, then I wasn’t really wrong was I?

Anyway, sometimes I get the feeling that there are a lot of idiots and 13 year olds, and other challenged folk out there. I’m pretty sure that most people read my OP and get what I was saying. A few just don’t have the mental horse power, and a few nutters just like to be argumentative assholes.

I seem to be stupid enough to respond seriously to them, and explain myself more than I should.

The smarter response would be just to look at those posts, think “what an idiot,” and don’t respond for fear of feeding the trolls. But I think perhaps there’s just a misunderstanding or perhaps they skimmed the OP and missed something. Or, I didn’t write it well enough and it got misconstrued.

My bad.

[Gestalt]

@Scylla

The conclusion seems to be that people that yo-yo tend to be thicker in the middle than those that don’t. That neither agrees nor disagrees with my statement that they lose muscle.

Obviously not everybody who yo-yos becomes skinny fat. Most just become fat fat.

Wrong.

“Studies show that people do not have more fat around their stomach after a weight cycle. However, other studies suggest that women who are overweight and have a history of weight cycling have thicker layers of fat around their stomach—compared to women who do not weight cycle. It is not clear how this relates to weight cycling.”

Also, “Studies do not show that fat tissue increases after a weight cycle. Study results do not support decreases in muscle either. Many people simply regain the weight they lost while on the diet—they have the same amount of fat and muscle as they did before the weight cycle”

Also, the article says that weight cycling does not make you “become fat”

[Scylla]

@Gestalt

Wrong.

“Studies show that people do not have more fat around their stomach after a weight cycle. However, other studies suggest that women who are overweight and have a history of weight cycling have thicker layers of fat around their stomach—compared to women who do not weight cycle. It is not clear how this relates to weight cycling.”

Also, “Studies do not show that fat tissue increases after a weight cycle. Study results do not support decreases in muscle either. Many people simply regain the weight they lost while on the diet—they have the same amount of fat and muscle as they did before the weight cycle”

Also, the article says that weight cycling does not make you “become fat”

It also says:

“The study showed that women who weight cycle gain more weight over time than women who do not weight cycle.”

Which is in direct contradiction to the statements you quoted.

[Gestalt]

@Scylla

It also says:

“The study showed that women who weight cycle gain more weight over time than women who do not weight cycle.”

Which is in direct contradiction to the statements you quoted.

That’s referring to one particular study which also pointed out the health problems of weight cycling, but later when they say “studies” (in my quotes) I assume they’re referring to the greater body of literature.

[PlainJain]

@Scylla

If I were to say you were so stupid that you couldn’t make toast, and in order to refute you actually went to the toaster and toasted a piece of bread to see if you could do it, and then if you took a picture of it and sent it to me to prove I was wrong, then I wasn’t really wrong was I?

Yeah well maybe your shit is just too hip for me but the above doesn’t read like the OP to me. If you were sincere in your above response to me, then why not just come out and call her fat? Why go through all the contortions of trying prove it technically. Keep digging if you must but I think you’re full of bologna.

My bad.

De Nada.

[Scylla]

Because I don’t think she’s fat. I think she’s technically obese. You realize it’s you and mendho who are arguing with me concerning what I was trying to say? That’s not good company. If you don’t think I said it well that’s one thing. Saying you don’t believe me when I say what I was trying to do and really claiming that I meant something else is pathologically dumb. I would know. Why would I lie?

I’m pretty sure I understand my own motivations and intent better than you, and arguing motivations is just a way to be snarky.

[Gestalt]

On what basis do you make the claim that she’s technically obese? Just your judgement? Can you link us to any sites that describe, or better yet have pics, of “technically obese” people so that we can see if she fits the description?

[Scylla]

@Gestalt

On what basis do you make the claim that she’s technically obese? Just your judgement? Can you link us to any sites that describe, or better yet have pics, of “technically obese” people so that we can see if she fits the description?

Why? We’ve already done that. Runner Pat did it, too. “Technically Obese,” “Skinny Fat,” it’s the same thing. I’ve already said, I’m stating an opinion not making a diagnosis. YMMV. You may think she ages well, I don’t.

I think she’s in the same category as Paris Hilton and Jennifer Love Hewitt, Mischa Barton, and a whole host of others who begin to fall apart as they age because there is no muscle underneath the youthful babyfat.
We’ve done this like twice now. You want a scientific cite empirically demonstrating that I think she’s going to seed? Really? Read the thread. Think it through.

[Gestalt]

@Scylla

We’ve done this like twice now. You want a scientific cite empirically demonstrating that I think she’s going to seed? Really? Read the thread. Think it through.

Good point. I think your statement about young woman in post 222: " all their collagen is still holding everything up," definitely establishes you as a physiology expert and shows that your guesstimate of body fat percentages is absolutely accurate.

[Scylla]

@Gestalt

Good point. I think your statement about young woman in post 222: " all their collagen is still holding everything up," definitely establishes you as a physiology expert and shows that your guesstimate of body fat percentages is absolutely accurate.

Glad we’re on the same page. Merry Christmas.

[rhubarbarin]

@Scylla

How does receiving a test make you an expert? I’ve had that test, too, so by that criteria, I am just as much an expert as you.

I left off the last part of my post, sorry. I have a weight and body composition very similar to Jess Hart (in that I look a lot like her in a bikini, minus those boobs) and I have tested at 18-20% body fat. This in particular makes me think it’s impossible she has a high or even moderately high body fat percentage, and it’s both ignorant and offensive that you would say that a young woman who could benefit from gaining more muscle *and *fat mass should be leaner.

Maybe we run in different circles (most women I know are extremely physically unfit with very high body fat percentages), but she has lower body fat and better definition than 90% of the women and girls I saw on the beach last summer.

I posted this before, maybe you didn’t see it. This is what skinny fat young women look like.

[RedFury]

@rhubarbarin

I left off the last part of my post, sorry. I have a weight and body composition very similar to Jess Hart (in that I look a lot like her in a bikini, minus those boobs)…

Pardon me ma’am but would you mind me lookin’ at you? I just might do w/out the boobs. Or (the horror!) invite you to a drink? Obviously, you may say “no” to the latter.