Jess Hart, It's on, Babe

The BBQ Pit
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I just saw this on Fox News:

Jess Hart, Victoria’s Secret Supermodel says

“If you see me, or another model, in a bar wait until you are spoken too before you speak.”

I understand exactly where you are coming from. I truly do. I’m not going to lecture you about this comment or your attitude, but I will share this:

As a 43 year old, balding, married father of two, I have been staring at beautiful women for about 38 years. “Studying intently,” is probably a more accurate description. I have done this in real life, in books, magazines, movies… the whole nine yards. On those occasions I am not staring at a beautiful woman in one format or another, I am usually thinking about them.

I never miss the opportunity to stare at a beautiful women, even and especially If I’ve stared at her before… to watch her evolve.

In these 38 years of intense study, I have learned two fundamental truths about human female beauty.

  1. It comes in two forms:
    A. There is that timeless beauty in certain women that sticks with them, and what it loses in flash it gains in intensity and depth, women whose gorgeousness spans decades. Their beauty is a fundamental part of them.

     B.   There is that type of intense beauty that is beautiful specifically because it is fleeting and fragile.   Heroin waifs have it, and that beauty is founded upon their unnatural sickness.    It also comes in the form of the "overripe tomato" which is a women who is incredibly attractive just for a moment before everything falls apart (like Brigitte Bardot.)  Most often though this beauty is simply a factor of youth.   Technically obese women look beautiful for a short period of time.   They are simply bone and fat.  They have no muscle at all but they are young enough that it doesn't matter.  Yet.

A fit woman with a little muscle might appear not as skinny or girlish. Her hips and breasts not be as emphasized. She’d be a little thicker because there is that third layer of muscle in between the bone and subcutaneous fat.

However, without that layer of muscle to anchor, gravity starts to have its way with technically obese women, usually beginning around age 25. It all starts to sag, and the fat becomes cellulitic, cottage cheese.

You, my dear Jess are technically obese, and you are 24 years old.
2. The body you have in your 20s isn’t really you. You haven’t been in it long enough for your personality to start to change it. It’s been forming all this time. Now that it has formed it will start to change not based on your genes, but based on you.

It will start to mirror your personality. I’ve known women who were very beautiful in their youth, but over time their personality started to make a mark upon their body and the ugly person inside began to be reflected in their face and body. They became hard mean and ugly harpies.

Probably you’ve seen women like this. They used to look like you.

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That’s gonna crimp the Hell out of my telling her that her drink is spilling all over her dress. Oopsies.

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I sniped your elegant insightful prose for brevity, and to avoid harsh contrast with my thought.
Life’s too short for caring what 2-bit whores who think they’re divine royalty think.

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Who the fuck does she think she is? Royalty?

I agree - in a few years she’ll be “that chick who used to look good”.

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…but…but.. I like 2-bit whores…

:frowning:

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You might be right, but there’s this:

My first job was in the Revlon building in NYC on Madison Ave. I was 21. One day, I shared an elevator with Claudia Schiffer. She was wearing Jeans in a t shirt. She had her hair in a ponytail with a rubber band, and not one lick of makeup on her, like she had just gotten out of bed and pulled on what was close at hand.

She looked better than any other woman that I have ever seen in person in my entire life.

It was just her and I in the elevator and I was determined to talk to her. I think I said “Hi.”

She gave me a great big smile and said “Hi.” Right back. Encouraged, intoxicated and terrified I mumbled something about having a camera in my desk, and I would just love to have a picture with Claudia Schiffer because I think you are fantastic, and I knew she was probably very busy, but could she possibly get off on my floor and wait in our lobby for 10 seconds while I sprinted for my camera?

She smiled again and said “yes.”

When we got to my floor she just walked right through the boardroom with me, and took my arm in her hands like she was my girlfriend. My cubemate took one awkward picture of me standing next to her. She said take another, and she leaned over and gave me a great big hug and pouted her lips like she was about to kiss me.

Than she just waved and left.

It made my day, my week, my month. I showed the picture to my girlfriend. I enshrined it in my cube.

In total, it cost her about two minutes of her time. She didn’t have to take the picture, that was above and beyond. It would have been enough that she just smiled and said “hi.” If she had said “I’m sorry, I’m very late,” that would have been fine.

This wasn’t a bar. This was her place of a work.

If Jess Hart doesn’t want to be bothered with admiring people who want to meet her, than she shouldn’t go to places like bars which exist specifically so people can socialize.

It wouldn’t cost her much to be nice.

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Obese?

Jess Hart?

The model. Jessica Hart.

Um, Scylla, I think you have some sort of body dysmorphic disorder. I’m overfat, overweight, & technically obese. I get that the official medical line is lower than the socially determined line.

http://models-hq.com/2010/02/victorias-secret-models-name-list-h/

Jess Hart is just under-muscled. Not the same thing.

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Meh.

I wouldn’t get too excited about this.

What women say they’re attracted to is rarely what they’re actually attracted to, especially beautiful young women. They’re typically so full of shit about this stuff that you should never believe anything they say.

The best way to approach her in a club would be to determinedly call her out by someone else’s name, preferably the name of an actress or model who’s higher up on the food chain, who superficially resembles her. When she forcefully asserts that she ain’t her, say, “Yeah, you’re right, she’s so much taller/prettier/thinner” or “now that I’m closer, I can see you don’t look like her at all. Sorry.” Then walk away. If you’re decent looking, well dressed, and better yet, in the company of attractive women, she’ll chase you.

Chicks like this often end up with confident (arrogant) dirt bags.

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You can be undermuscled and yet be of normal weight but have a very high body fat percentage.

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And if you’re calling her fat just to be cruel, you’re a sick sick man. She’s a skinny, if not in great cardiovascular shape, young woman, who will probably never be terribly fat in her life except possibly when pregnant with very good-looking children.

To tell someone in an anorexigenic subculture like modeling or dance that they’re fat when they’re not is toxic. For even saying this on a message board Miss Hart will, Thank God, never read, but where some other suggestible person might read this, well,

MAY THE NAZI GROUNDHOGS DEVOUR YOUR HOME’S FOUNDATIONS & WALLS THAT IT CRUMBLES TO ROTTEN STICKS.

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The term is “technically obese.” It applies to people who appear normal-sized or skinny, but whose body fat content actually puts them in the same category as an overweight weightlifter. If you don’t have much muscle you can get away with carrying more fat.

Paris Hilton is classically technically obese. She carries basically no muscle on her frame. One of things that happens is that dieting causes you to preferentially lose muscle over fat. You can get skinnier but your % of body fat goes up as you lose weight and sometimes even bone density.

Jess has a flat stomach, but no definition. There aren’t any ab muscles under there or we’d see them. Nothing in her arms, no pecs, and nothing in the legs. She’s firm now, but again that’s a function of youth. I’d guess Jess’s bodyfat to be in the mid to upper 30s range. She is “technically obese.”

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Yeah, I’ve seen flabby legs, in younger women. She’s leaner than you give her credit for.

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She’s technically hot.

Basically this OP boils down to a calling a hot chick fat because she doesn’t want to get hit on in bars.

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http://jessicahart.net/JESSHART.NET/HOME.html

Hm, yeah, I see here that you’re wrongity wrong wrong.

eta: Scylla, not Dio. Dio is righter than rain here.

Call her cold, cruel, arrogant, stuck-up, bitchy, but one thing you never ever call a skinny model is fat. That’s inexcusable.

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The only fat I see is in her head.

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And BTW, obesity is not the same thing as lack of lean muscle.

When a bunch of flabby Nazi groundhogs without muscles visibly defined through their skin destroy your arrogant ripped runner bod, perhaps you’ll see.

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The headline, the article, and the OP lie. She didn’t say anything about “ordinary guys,” or beautiful women in general, or who has a chance with her or any model, she said “If you see me, or another model, in a bar, wait until you are spoken to before you speak. If we are interested in you we will make the first move.” Which may seem snotty and entitled, but it’s the universal position of people who get more attention than they can handle. Most people will extend to actors and other famous people the courtesy of letting them eat, shop, and live in public view without disturbance; are models not worthy, or is it being in a bar that’s the exception?

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I didn’t say “fat.” I used a specific term with a very specific meaning. “Technically obese,” does not mean fat. It means skinny with an overly high percentage of body fat.

As a fitness fanatic and an appreciator of beautiful women, I think it’s unfortunate that today’s ideal of female beauty discourages women from having a healthy musculature. Instead, it encourages them to be skin and bones. skin is basically fat. Women naturally have a thicker layer of subcutaneous fat than men, but women with any sort of musculature usually look too thick for today’s fashions.

Today’s fashion ideal is women who have very little muscle, and are very thin, but who still have that postpubescent baby fat. To me, they look like developing children, not women. It’s not a healthy look.

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I get how it sounds snotty, but I can also understand it from somebody who probably gets hit on every ten seconds everywhere she goes. I can totally see how she would get sick of not being able to go anywhere in public or sit and have a drink without having 15 sweaty guys trying to mack on her.

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Apparently if it’s Scylla’s bar, you’d better be prepared to be hit on. It takes a lot of work for a 70-year-old man to have the body of a bodybuilding gibbon, & he will mack on you if he so chooses, Missy!