Unlikely. In fact, he’s taken great pains here in this thread to establish that he doesn’t generally find much that’s defensible about the Duggars’ whole schtick.
Yeah. As far as I can tell, Bricker just wants a cite for the assertion that the parent Duggars hold the girls in some way responsible for their brother’s molestation of them. For this specific claim, I have seen no direct evidence either.
I spit on the parent Duggars. Spuh! Spuh! lugee launching
But that’s an argument from incredulity. It’s what what Gothard, who is effectively their cult leader, believes. It’s what someone who escaped actually says they believe. Lasciel says that women in the Quiverfull movement are taught that sexual things are their fault. There’s article upon article stating this as their beliefs, yet the Duggars have not felt the need to contradict them.
He’s demanding direct evidence when direct evidence is not needed. Despite everyone proving it to the satisfaction of everyone else here, he refuses to believe it.
It still boils down to him thinking that there’s no way the Duggars believe this specific teaching of Gothard, despite us showing that they adhere to the others. It’s like he’s the defense lawyer trying desperately to introduce something implies reasonable doubt, when no one else thinks it is reasonable. What’s interesting is trying to figure out why Bricker switched to defense attorney mode on this particular issue.
I’ll actually put it that way. If this belief was a crime, and was put forth to a jury, I believe they would (unanimously) convict them of this belief with the evidence that has been offered.
You may be overstating what can be unqualifiedly asserted about what he thinks. Why don’t you ask him?
“…most of it while [the] girls were sleeping…”
Why do they keep bringing this up as justification for their pervert son’s actions??? Do they not have lawyers or PR folks who could spin it a little better? And what about the other incidents that definitely weren’t while the victims were sleeping, or over clothes?
Because this is not a thread about Bricker.
I think they’re trying to argue that the girls weren’t actually hurt by any of it. Which I, personally, do not believe. It’s all part of arguing why it wasn’t really a crime (even if it was) and there was no need to involve secular authorities.
Fair enough.
Does anyone truly believe:
It was only these few times…
It was while they were asleep…
It was only over their clothes…
I see no reason to believe a single one of these things. None of them pass the sniff test. None!
In my opinion, it’s actually a bit different - they’re trying to protect the girls’ modesty and purity by broadcasting that they had no idea anything was going on (except for those times they did…) so that they can continue to think of them as pure and innocent (and less charitably, to continue to marry the remaining girls off to godly sons of prominent men in the movement).
Sins of lust are all twisted up, so if they admitted that the girls were aware of the molestation, the girls would be considered by a lot of people (probably not their parents, but maybe them also, depending on how far down the rabbit hole they are) to be complicit in the molestation. At the very least, if they were awake, that brings in the spectre of impure behavior by the girls.
The ‘logic’ here is: If they were awake, they are responsible for their presentation and their actions; to not be ‘stumbling blocks’ to their brothers (brothers here referring to any boy in their social circle - we were all brothers/sisters, which I don’t think helps at all) by carefully monitoring their speech and clothing and behavior to prevent men from noticing them and being incited to lust. Since Josh felt moved to molest them, his inappropriate sexual urges has been constantly attributed to women dressing or behaving ‘immodestly’ - and the only ‘women’ in this situation are the sisters.
So, simple fix - they weren’t awake!
Now, what we don’t know is if it is actually true that they were asleep, or if they pretended to be asleep (to their parents, to each other?) to keep from having to deal with the issue at all, or if the parents are taking the ‘sleeping’ instances and referring exclusively to them unless pinned down directly.
But that (in my opinion) is why they’re hitting that so hard.
That the center that’s located in a building, donated to Gothard by Hobby Lobby.
For most parents, finding out something like this would be the worst thing imaginable. For the Duggars, Josh being gay would be the worst thing imaginable. Diddling his sisters is one thing, but if he were gay? :gasp:
He would have been shipped right off to ALERT camp, to get the gay prayed out of him.
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Very good response. Thank you.
How do you know these kids will grow up “fucked up” like you say? As for me I try to help out by working with parenting organizations and providing support for families.
Look I’ve seen kids raised great who turned out rotten and I’ve seen kids come from crappy backgrounds who turned out great. You dont really know.
The molested girls were just on tv, shedding tears over how cruel the press is being over his ‘bad choices’.
He isn’t defending himself, he’s letting his sister/victims do so.
How is that not fucked up?
I agree. But if you look at the numbers, you are talking about extreme outliers.
We know they’re fucked up because they’re on tv lying about the extent of their brother’s criminal activities and trying to shield him from suffering any consequences for it - even the consequence of calling a spade, a spade. People who make excuses for rapists are no better than the rapists themselves.
You can be great *and *thoroughly fucked in the head. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I agree with you. Molestation is like roaches. For every incident you know about, there are probably a slew you don’t know about.