She chose the pen name “Polly”.
I suspect both she and her husband will be happy to make your aquaintance.
Now that would be a useful message. Japan more than anywhere seems to believe it is impolite to give a straight answer, and that “No” should mean both “No” and “polite yes”.
Yeah, really… “traditional” PUA promoters at least pitched it as a sort of advanced always-be-closing hard-sales tactic but avoided crossing into physical intimidation.
Obligatory xkcd.
They just want to get laid. That’s the end goal.
He’s all the more correct wrt Japan, where girls/women are kind of culturally expected to be more submissive (passive, even) and not ever antagonistic.
Those giggles, which this dumb fuck interprets as an in or at least an “it’s ok” ? As I understand it that’s often code for “I really wish I wasn’t there and you weren’t doing that, I’m pretending this is all a joke so as not to embarrass either of us, fucking quit it”.
But of course, anybody with even half a iota of self-awareness would have intuited that extremely subtle notion that girls might not actually enjoy some strange asshole treating them like objects.
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
Watched the video.
My god! What a contemptible arsehole.
Racist, misogynist, and just straight-up loathsome.
And those fuckwits laughing and clapping in his seminar; what a sad bunch of wankers.
[QUOTE=Dorjan]
They just want to get laid. That’s the end goal.
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I’m notorious for thinking the best of people despite all evidence to the contrary. Even with fuckwits like Blanc I want to think he is a sad, lonely man with no clue about the damage he is doing.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to get laid. But the thing is, it’s totally possible to do that without tricking women into sleeping with you, and/or sexual assault. There are actually women out there who also want to get laid, not because some emotional magic sex trance button has been pressed but because they like sex.
I know you know that, but clearly there are some out there who do not.
For the record, I am not Japanese nor do I know a lot about Japanese culture, but even I know what those giggles mean. The nervous laughter, the body language, is universal.
Ostensibly this asshole is showing these videos to the men he is brainwashing, they are watching these videos and still not understanding that this is unwanted sexual contact. I’ve seen some people on the internet indicate that they feel pretty comfortable pushing a woman for sex even when she has given an overt ‘‘no.’’ So I guess if she’s not actually scratching out your eyeballs, it counts as consent.
So I think this could be an excellent instructional video for guys who seem to struggle with reading body language or a woman’s interest in sexual contact. The women in these videos unequivocally do not want this contact. They might not be overtly saying no, out of some combination of confusion/embarrassment or fear, or doing whatever is culturally expected, but they are clearly not consenting. At best, they are intimidated into acquiescence. If your definition of ‘‘getting laid’’ involves women who exhibit similar behavior, you’re probably a rapist.
Well, and that’s the key thing.
“Students” of Blanc and other PUA gurus are all being scammed; it’s essentially a giant con. The genius of Julien Blanc et al. is making their customers’ money disappear. Hell, I don’t even know if Julien Blanc is himself prone to sleeping with a lot of women, but he’s a pro at convincing lonely and unconfident men he is and getting them to give him their credit card numbers.
All PUA courses, books and methods essentially amount to a force-push and a misdirection, like any other magic trick. All follow the same basic plan:
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They start off instructing the student to make sure they have fashionable, well-fitting clothes and a decent haircut and such, and should consider, in the longer run, improving their physical fitness.
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The student is then taught an exhaustive list of psychological techniques that will allegedly make women want them.
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The student is then encouraged to attempt to go out and pick up many women.
When you spell it out like this the trick is really obvious; Point 2 is irrelevant. Simply by doing points 1 and 3, and by virtue of the fact that taking the course will make him feel more confident in himself, the PUA student is going to have vastly most success at picking up women than he would have before. The techniques taught in #2 are, tecnically speaking, a Dumbo’s Feather. They’re technically irrelevant but make a guy who looks better than he did before and is now making a concerted effort to pick up women THINK that it’s the PUA techniques that are helping him, rather than, you know - the fact that he is dressing better and is putting more effort into picking up women. I could write an equally effective PUA strategy in this post, right now:
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Go to a decent clothing store and buy nice clothes that are in style and that actually fit you. Get someone who knows how to dress to help you if you need help. Get a good pair of shoes. In the long run you may wish to consider losing some weight and toning yourself if you aren’t already in shape.
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Go get a haircut that costs more than twelve dollars. If you have bad facial hair, fix that.
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Start trying to pick up women. You will fail a lot, but keep practicing, and work through these basic practice hints:
3a - Don’t approach co-workers or women in stressful situations.
3b - Don’t appear desperate. Work on this in a mirror if you must. Appear happy and confident.
3c - The secret to conversation is asking questions. Ask friendly questions and try to go on a thread of questions on a subject the lady is interested in.
3d - Never use a stupid pickup line. Be straightforward and try to get her to like you, and then ask for her number or email.
3e - If she rejects you, part ways with a smile and a thank you, and move on to the next one. Keep trying, you’ll get better at it.
There, that’s all you need to know, but I can’t charge a guy $5000 for that. If you want someone to pay you $5000 you need to present it like this:
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get better clothes and a haircut and better shoes and work out a little.
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ABSOLUTELY HUGE AMOUNT OF ALLEGED MAGICAL / NLP / BULLSHIT TECHNIQUES IN MY SEMINARS/BOOKS/VIDEOS ONLY I KNOW THAT WILL UNLOCK THE VAGINA SO EASILY YOU’LL BE UP TO YOUR NECK IN WOMEN
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get out there and try picking up women
So are the students all scumbags, too? I suspect some of them are, but a lot aren’t. Some people are just suckers, and in an area like romance and loneliness, people are emotionally vulnerable and easily scammed. A guy who’s 31 and has never had any luck with the ladies and simply cannot understand why is easy prey for the PUA industry.
People who join a rotten movement without actually knowing anything about the movement are more accurately described as “useful idiots” than “ostensibly nice guys”. Can’t say I lose any sleep over their well-being, personally.
re: Julien Blanc - Australia cancelled his visa so all his “seminars” are off. I hope Japan cancels his visa, too, but maybe not until he’s been convicted of assault and sent to jail.
I suspect that for some of these creeps it’s not just a matter of getting laid, but also of dominating women as an ego boost; which is what Blanc is doing throughout that video, and he’s loving it.
I wonder if a man like that would find as much satisfaction with a woman he hasn’t bullied into having sex with him.
I look forward to his heartfelt apology and reformation.
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I wonder if a man like that would find as much satisfaction with a woman he hasn’t bullied into having sex with him.
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Here’s a recent Twitter quote I found from him:
Hott.
RSD founder response to the controversy:
[QUOTE=Owen Cook]
All I care about is my ability to do good in the world. RSD has been a cool vehicle to do that. If it isn’t a viable vehicle anymore, I’ll continue to do good. The people who watch our stuff honestly have no idea what it’s like to be a shy guy trying to learn to meet girls, or the pain it causes. They have no context for why we teach guys what we teach, after years of trying different things to see what works.
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My favorite comment response:
[QUOTE=Policy of Madness]
Boo hoo, somewhere, right now, there is a peen that isn’t being touched. Let’s cry a fucking river for that poor, lonely, suffering peen. Let’s definitely teach it to manipulate women and coerce them and rape them. Let’s not, under any circumstances, teach the man attached to the peen to talk to women like they are people and become a decent human being that people actually want to date.
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You forgot
- sexual assault
- PROFIT!!!
I know of several men IRL like Julien Blanc. They pretty much always are with a hot, scantily dressed, leggy blonde who they paw and manhandle all night long in front of everyone, while the girl just giggles and downs drinks.
It’s really simple. The message it sends to all the men who can’t get anyone at all is “be an abusive, demeaning jerk, and I too can have the legendary leggy blonde goddess.” I’m sure most of the men who sign up for his seminars are not taking it so they can molest or rape women - those folks pretty much seem to learn it on their own. IMO most of the attendees probably are conning themselves by helplessly hoping that “maybe there’s some non-rapey techniques I can learn about being assertive.” Because they’re desperate.
The Japanese do not believe that “No” is a polite “Yes”. Quite the opposite – a Japanese person might politely say “Yes” just to show that they’re paying attention even when they don’t agree with the speaker, the same way an English speaker might say “Uh huh”, but “No” isn’t even the polite way to express a refusal in Japan. Many Japanese people would hesitate to bluntly say “No” even if they meant “Absolutely not”.*
When Japanese people are speaking English they do sometimes seem to say the opposite of what they really mean, but this is because the way English speakers phrase questions can be confusing. A question such as “Don’t you like it?” or “You like it, don’t you?” might be taken to literally mean “Do you dislike it?” In that case a reply of “No” would mean “No, I do like it” while “Yes” would mean “Yes, I dislike it.” This is just a misunderstanding of the language though, and doesn’t really have anything to do with what is considered polite in Japanese culture.
*Not that this is unique to the Japanese. It’s common enough for English speakers to say things like “Well, maybe”, “I’ll have to think about that”, “Let me get back to you”, or “I don’t think so” when they really mean “No”.
You know what, on second thought, I should stop feeling sorry for the fuckers who get into this PUA shit. It’s an insult to all of the shy, awkward men of the world who would never even consider stooping to that level.
Doesn’t this:
kinda show that this:
works?
Yeah, and all it costs is a piece of your soul.
Could someone help me out here? Because I’m not sure of how that idiot PUA technique is supposed to work… you press an unsuspecting woman’s face into your crotch and that will make her sleep with you? What??