Raping her, I suppose. No jury would buy the defense that the rapee consented after the fact and that the rapist already knew this because time is immaterial to him.
Don’t take this too seriously though. I just thought that what Kanicbird wrote in post 157 is totally bizarre.
Yes, all time has already happened.
This goes to what free will really is, which I believe is like a ‘chose your own adventure’ book. Where we make a choice, then life it out, the perhaps a day or week or month or so later we have our next free will choice, then life or sometimes death continues. God can strongly influence our choice, as so can Satan to a lesser degree, also God can remove the choice at times. But He does respect our free will. God will limit some of the choices of the believer more so then the unbeliever as the believer is in submission to Jesus. This is also how God can say that Mary consented to having His Son, all possible free will decisions Mary had would have her consent to it.
Of this chose your own adventure, God is the author, He determines the possible endings.
To a great extent yes, He desires all to be saved, and He created everything in total knowledge. I can not see how given this that all His children can’t be saved, all of the devil’s children condemned and I would suspect God will somehow save most if not all of the hybrid children.
You’re blaming Jesus for not being able to express yourself coherently?
This is like a batter pointing skyward after a strikeout.
I love how you just make things up as you go along. Hybrid children? What, they run on Hersey Bars and ethanol?
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Gesundheit
Boy,that must have been some big fish…it still doesn’t answer the question of how Jonah held his breath for 3 days.
If this is allegory then so is a lot of other stories such as the earth being covered with 29,000 feet of water at Noah’s flood.
The bibles I read said whale.
Although I do not believe the Bible story, in defense I may add: When Mary supposedly visited her cousin, she was delighted, she is quoted as saying"My soul magnifies the lord and my spirit rejoices in God who is my savior, for great things have been done to me". It doesn’t seem she felt raped. And if a man proposes to woman and says I have chosen you to be my wife, I think we can be happy together He is in a way waiting for her consent.
Apologies for getting your gender wrong, but thanks for agreeing with my theory. Out of interest, could I ask for examples of what you’d consider mistakes? You’ve always seemed to me to be a very certain person, so i’d be interested to know what such mistakes were and how they were able to come about. Obviously if you’d rather not talk about it, i’m sorry to pry.
Also, I have another question;
What characterises submission to someone, in general, and would this be grounds for God to impregnate her even if she had disagreed? What if she hadn’t been a believer?
You don’t need to control to know what will occur. For someone with access to knowledge of what will happen in the future, it could be known what decisions people will make, whilst still keeping free will entirely intact. Simply knowing what will happen doesn’t make someone responsible for it.
If God knew she was going to consent than why all the sending of angels etc. He sure likes to play games.
You really believe the Devil has children? Why in Heaven’s name would a good, great being, allow such things. I am sorry but it sure sounds unreasonable to me. Why are you so obsessed with evil? Isn’t Satan the personification of evil?
Could it be that your interpetation of the scriptures and the world is flawed?
No, I don’t think that could possibly be the answer here.
I have a hard time understanding how I can have free will if every choice I make is the only one I could have made.
Bear in mind that I’m not the one who said Yahweh was a rapist–just that Mary’s consent was irrelevant to his decision to magically impregnate her. Besides, assuming that Mary had been to synagogue and heard the myths of Jonah, of Elisha & the 42 kids & the she-bears, and so forth, she may well have hated the idea but decided to keep her displeasure to herself.
Revenant, that’s true in one sense; the dragon in John Gardner’s Grendel, who is certainly prescient and possibly omniscient, makes the same argument. But I’m not sure it holds for the creator of the universe.
Which is not to say that, if God existed, S/he is responsible for everything that occurs. I can easily postulate a deity who creates a world with free-willed creatures, who then deliberately limist His/Her omnipotence declaring that the choices free beings make will be forever independent of His/Her will. But such a being is (by definition) no longer omniscient either (on purpose, of course).
Anyway, I was really aiming the question at kanicbird, whose position seems to lead inevitably to God deliberately and consciously condemning untold billions of souls to eternal torment.
Nope.
See, Jesus is speaking through kanicbird, and you are at best one of the hybrid children, if not the spawn of Satan himself.
Hope that helps.
Battered women can rationalize a lot.
Perhaps the original creator of this wonderful world placed all these other gods in peoples minds just to see how gullible they were, and maybe this creator really meant humanity to cope without reference to itself?
That’d be really funny, if god saved all the non-believers, because they were more independently minded.
To a limited extent, we can already see the use of knowledge to know what people will do. We know how our friends and family and people we know well are likely to react in a certain situation. The more we know of them, the more accurate the prediction. If we knew everything about them, then we’d know the results of any decision beforehand. And if we knew about everyone else, and about the world at large, then we’d also know what decisions are going to come about. Know both, and we can predict with 100% accuracy, without infringing on someone’s free will.
It doesn’t actually require omniscience, though. An invisible time machine will do, in a pinch. 