I have pretty much satisfied any doubts that I had that **Saint Zero{/b] might have been right and there was a chance to change Damn Yankees into something civilized. Before I leave I have one passing thought and then I’ll leave youse guys to discuss slavery, the Civil War and anything else you want.
One of the posters from Georgia pointed out that when they changed flags in Georgia and also in South Carolina the legislature did it and did not put it up for a referendum. He/she said that there was a good possibility that if those states had had a referendum the new flags would not have passed. I believe this was true in Mississippi and it points out the wisdom of our fore-fathers setting up a republic and not a democracy (even though this is what we say we have). There was no way in hell that I was going to vote against the old flag, but if that crooked S.O.B. that I send to the state legislature wants to do it, I guess there isn’t much I can do about it. He’s afraid I won’t vote for him next time, but I will, then again some won’t for sure. He wanted the job, after all.
Collounsbury I was going to email you about IBM but I didn’t want to go thru the moderator.
Pantom I’m kinda on the fence right now about capital punishment and not up to snuff on its history, but maybe you and I could try and get those “dromedary jockeys” to go to some one of the more civilized methods and stop wacking off heads.
Ah shucks, you’re such a nice bunch of ____________, I’ll check back tomorrow and see what you’ve come up with next.
I’m sure that I am now guilty of something having to do with the operator of a convenience store in Tupelo.
First, Kniz, I don’t understand your damn Yankee thing. I could give a fuck where you are from or where you have been. What I care about are factually based arguments based on good logic. You’re not terribly strong in this department.
Kniz, a republic is a structure of government. There is not a contradiction between having a republican government structure and a democratic government. This is a fallacious argument dealt with in the past here without any intellectual foundation. It apparently arises from the concept that only a direct democracy is a “true democracy,” a point which I think few people would accept. See this thread where the idea is taken apart:
“Explain in detail why democracy cannot exist in a republic” http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=56554
As such your point, as many times before, is pointless.
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Well, frankly I’m not interested in discussions of IBM but if anyone wishes to email me they need only attach me user name to yahoo.
Ahh, the unbaised Kniz and … his idiotic ethnic slurs. How terribly convincing your claims. From what I can see you have a hard time thinking of things outside of fairly simplistic stereotypes: damn yankees, dromedary jockeys etc.
In the case of this latest, I assume you’re talking about Saudi Arabia? Frankly, what’s the difference between beheading with a sword and the electric chair? More civilized methods indeed.
I can’t let this go by- the original US Constitution gave 3/5 valuation to “Negroes,” because the SLAVE STATES DEMANDED IT IN ORDER TO BE IN THE UNION!!! The 3/5 rule, as I have pointed out elsewhere, was established by the Southern States to give them disproportionate representation in the Federal Government, so that they could maintain their “peculiar institution,” and impose whatever gag orders and other antidemocratic laws were needed to do so.
As for RELEE- I think that the subject has been dealt with many times before in similar threads. JDM
Aw go back and read what I quoted. You are right- I didn’t look up the specifics of the 3/5 rule. I also was not using the 3/5 rule as a defense of the Slave States’ position- rather I was saying that, when French Onion (one of my favorite soups du jour) held it up as proving that the “Union” was equal in its acts against non-whites to the Slave States, this was an indefensible position, since it was the Slave States that created the 3/5 rule in the first place, and they used it to maintain their disproportionate power until 1860.
I would have to assume that there were many more slaves in the South to be counted as “3/5” for congressional representation than there were free Blacks in the North. Further, since the members of the “3/5” class in the South could not vote, even the pretense of democracy did not exist for them- the 3/5 votes were counted only for the slaveholder’s representatives. Thus the 3/5 rule benefited the South only.
mangeorge said:
“Add some fried potatoes with chicken gravy to them chicken and greens, please.
Oh yeah, the best bourbon is a nice California merlot.”
Mmmm. I can work with that. Red wine’d help cut all that cholesterol in the food, but, mangeorge, [celestina looking around], we’d better be careful. Ivorybill or someone else who’s trying to take this debate seriously might step in here again and reprimand us about how we’re supposed to choose stuff from the South and perhaps get back to the OP, whatever that was, and while California’s in the south, it’s also in the west. It doesn’t apply because that’s considered damn Yankee territory too. But now you got me thinkin’ about wine. I can even see a nice Cabernet Sauvignon or a nice Sangiovese by PlumpJack, but what kind of merlot you talkin’ about? I’m funny about my wine, you know, and Napa Valley’s–LOVELY area by the way despite the occasional earthquake–got all them dang-blasted vineyards that I get confused.
Berringer Founders’ Estate 1998 Merlot. On sale, 8 bucks/bottle. Not bad. I’m new at the wine game, but enjoying the learning experience.
It’s in the glass, “breathing”, and waiting for the BBQ short ribs, beans 'n rice, and broccoli to finish. Yum.
Hmmm, the OP. Statements like this frustrate me;
And when I get frustrared, I eat. Might as well have a glass of wine with it.
Peace,
mangeorge
kniz: Excuse me for intruding, but you should re-read Collounsbury’s post. He just gave you his e-mail address.
And really, now - “Dromedary Jockey’s”? I’m not a big fan of the Saudi government or their version of Islam. But ethnic slurs, including “cute” ones, really have no place in any discussion.
As to this ongoing discussion, my opinion on the matter has already been more than adequately dealt with in detail by others. The simple fact is that it is a done deal - Mississippi has voted and that’s that. I do think the outcome was unfortunate. Maintaining as an official symbol of government a flag that is, rightly or wrongly, regarded as oppressive and hateful by a significant minority, is flat out discourteous and more than a little disrespectful to my mind.
shrug But that’s how it went. The anti-Confederate flag people can always try again next year, I suppose.
mangeorge and celestina: If you have something to whisper about, you should share it with the entire class… especially if what you’re whispering about is a nice merlot. Those of us trying to take this debate seriously could probably use a glass or two or ten (insert wink thing here). Although a nice julep with some 15 y.o. Old Rip Van Winkle would be mighty fine, too…
Interesting. They either restored my post ( Thanks David B, if that was you ) or my machine has stopped acting wonky and not showing it. But the kniz post I was immediately replying to regarding Collounsbury’s e-mail is still missing ( or not showing on my machine ). Oh, well - Just pretend that my post makes more sense than it does . In fact that would be a good idea for any post I make .
Don’t worry, I’m with you Tamerlane. I saw kniz’s two missing posts myself before they disappeared last night. Maybe a mod moved 'em to the Pit where they belonged in the first place? I couldn’t read your post by clicking on the thread, but going to the “read new posts” icon worked just fine. Oh well, all is right with the world again–'cept in Mississippi.
Collunsbury: I seem to remember something about a challenge for you to take on kniz re: IBM via email if you’ve got the guts. He was obviously looking to pick some fights last night, with you and several other people in this and other threads. Looked to me like an attempt at suicide by mod.
Collounsbury your agrument about whether it is a republic or democracy is actually off the point and used only because you need to critcize even when there is nothing to critcize. Speak to the point that the representatives voted on by the people changed the flag in Georgia and South Carolina and it was the people (direct democracy - even by your own expert) in Mississippi that voted for the old flag. That is an example of why it is best we have a representative democracy rather than a direct democracy. How’s that, _?
Now tell me about all the ethnic slurs that I have made. Since this thread is about slavery, one poster used an ethnic slur for blacks and replaced the “i” with an “*”. Personally, I don’t like that manner of avoiding using the word, since it is so much like the word itself. In the case you are referring to I used a totally different word that would never be used in an truly ethnic slur. However, I knew someone would mention it and accuse me of using an ethnic slur. What is not right is that you said “slurs” and I have not come close to any others. Perhaps you were just referring to the fact that because I am from the south that you know that I have used ethnic slurs. Since you are not from the south you of course have never used any ethnic slurs. Pantom who was in the Army and Navy may have used a couple in his life, especially during those hellish three months in Meridan, MS (“these damn lintheads in Mississippi” may have been one). Jimmy Swagart used to brag in his sermons that “whiskey has not passed thru my lips”, and narry an ethnic slur has passed thru Collounsbury’s lips, either.
Your other points must not have been of the same quality as these.
kniz, I just wanted to assure you that I think it’s entirely coincidental that you’re from the South and that you personally employed a bigoted slur against Arabs
I was in the Army and Navy!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???
Man, this wine I’m drinkin’ must have some powerful stuff in it somewhere, 'cause I don’t remember ever even so much as picking up a gun (a real one, not a watergun or some such) in my whole natural life.
) or my machine has stopped acting wonky and not showing it. But the kniz post I was immediately replying to regarding Collounsbury’s e-mail is still missing ( or not showing on my machine ). Oh, well - Just pretend that my post makes more sense than it does 
. In fact that would be a good idea for any post I make 
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