Fortunately, the Magna Carta enshrined our right to bear pointy sticks.
I thought Magna Carta was for the nobles, not the average guy.
How do you shoot someone with a pointy stick?
Is that Roman reenactment?
thanks for the link fix guys!
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nope. It’s links to real incidents but it has been posted by an anti gun Facebook page. I just want to get viewpoints from all sides of the issue. Interesting discussion, and I have my own take on it which is kind of in between banning all the gunz and free gunz for all.
I think we should shoot some of those folks, like the guy who shot his brother over the inheritance of a tractor.
I think it would be great if we could prohibit citizens and policemen from having guns. But a bunch of bad guys have guns. I am 5’ tall and dress out at 110. Had I a gun and been with Mrs. Plant (v.3.0) when the guy climbed through her car window after bumming a cigarette, saying, “I have a gun and I’m going to kill you!” I’d have shot him dead. Given the high crime rate, a guy with a shotgun forcing his way into homes and robbing them, I would rather have a gun than have them prohibited.
Freedom is gained by accepting responsibility.
Safety is gained by giving responsibility ( your freedom to chose ) to others.
If there is / was a magic satellite that could make a ALL guns disappear, could guarantee that none could be smuggled in, that no bad guy could get one in any fashion, that no person who is handy with tools could not make one, that all ammo disappeared, the military must keep all it’s guns in Canada and can only have them when they are out of the country, and that the powers that be in Washington and each state capitol can not make themselves exempt from any law a citizen must obey and has reasonable term limits, I might give up about 20% of my objections to gun control.
Until you have that magic satellite you can’t have gun control on anyone except average sheeple citizens. No one else will go along, even if there is a law passed.
The country can not afford the bureaucracy & cost of effectively listing of even ½ the weapons owned by good citizens. Good citizens will become technical criminals by not completely complying.
It is not going to happen no matter the laws passed. And so far, the SCOTUS agrees with people who are not proven to be unfit are allowed to own weapons.
You will also need ‘no gun’ signs that the bad guys will obey.
Totally locked down schools? Who is going to pay for that to be done effectively?
A teenager uses a pry bar to get into the parents gun safe where the properly registered & locked weapon is, also jimmies the ammo storage box and is goofing around and kills little sibling.
How are gun laws going to stop this?
Why is this not kid killing kid happening a million times a week? The homes with unsecured loaded guns are out there by the millions, yes millions.
Maybe it is a parenting issue, not a gun issue.
Maybe it is parents who don’t care, don’t believe their child could or would, are single parents, or have demanded zero tolerance in the schools so the teachers can not maybe identify the kids who need counseling, medical help, etc.?
There were more guns in homes percentage wise when I was a kid than there are now percentage wise.
Why not the blood bath back then? What has changed?
I am not responsible for my kids, their education or how they turn out, it is someone else’s fault or something else is at fault. It can not be me?
↑ ↑ ↑ This look familiar?
It seems being in the vicinity of someone armed with a loaded weapon and being intoxicated/stupid/mad is dangerous. What a surprising turn up.
I can’t tell if you’re asking for our position on the Facebook article or our position on gun regulation.
My position on the Facebook article is that its a lame oversimplification of a complex issue.
My position on gun regulation is more complicated.
I grew up in the rural Midwest, in the heart of gun culture. There were guns in my house when I was a child, I fired a gun myself at least once, and while I don’t particularly like guns I can say pretty definitively that most gun owners are not the backward yokel stereotype that anti-gun nuts would paint them as.
I have a good friend, to call him a gun nut would be understatement. He is an expert at using them though, and has both extensive training and extensive experience both in practice and active combat situations. The thing I believe he consistently fails to understand is that the average gun owner does not have the level of training and expertise that he does, and is therefore much more dangerous with a weapon than he is. I don’t think a hundred conversations about it will pound that into his head, because using one is as natural to him as breathing.
On the other hand, he’s made it very clear that most people who draft and propose gun legislation and push gun regulation really have no idea about guns. We, the gun-shy public, generally have very stupid ideas about guns and how they work. We then pass legislation predicated on our ignorance. (If you’re liberal, think of how it feels when a bunch of old white dudes pass reproductive health legislation based on misinformation and ignorance, and you’ll sort of get what that feels like to a gun owner.)
One of the most interesting things he explained to me is that while a gun may end up killing more people than say, a knife, guns are really the only weapon where a single defender has any chance in hell against a team of enemies. In most situations, majority rules the outcome of a battle, but that isn’t the case with guns. My takeaway from that is when we crunch the numbers of stupid drunk idiots shooting each other on accident, we should also consider the potential lives saved as a result of citizens owning firearms. And while many people dismiss it, I think there is something to be said for civilian defense. I don’t know what those numbers are because this isn’t an issue I’m too heavily involved in.
Anyhow, I’m probably the only one of my liberal friends who I would consider pro-gun. I don’t love guns personally, but I have no business legislating my morals onto someone else. Gun ownership is a freedom that should be protected.
Articles like the one in the OP look a lot like hand-wringing hysteria to me, particularly when I’m reading outrage about school shootings (which are very statistically irregular) when the real victims of gun violence are inner city children and teens. Not that I think for a second that banning/regulating guns would stem the tide of violence in urban communities. I think focusing on guns is just another convenient way of avoiding the real problems of inequality our country faces. But, that’s just me.