This is so hyperbolic and delusional, I don’t even… w/e, bro. Be you.
You guys like to just dismiss stuff by insulting it, in this case hyperbolic and delusional, without actually responding to it. Your posts are devoid of content, and no one has tried to make a case as to why insulting Bernie supporters helps the democratic party or helps anyone beat Trump.
I’d respond the the entire splurge, but I’ll simply point out that 53% is not a “small minority”.
And constantly insulting the Democratic Party helps Sanders…how?
If Bernie does not get the nom, every Bernie fan that does not support the other Dem to get rid of the person that is destroying our country deserves all the derision they get. They are at that point nothing but cry babies and ultimately Trump supporters.
Bernie and Buttigeig themselves are saying if I don’t get the nom, just go vote blue and get rid of the stain that is the oval office.
There’s nothing of substance to respond to. We get it. You love Bernie. We all love Bernie. What I hear most (if not all) progressives saying is that they’ll vote for a blue moldy ham sandwich if that’s who is nominated as the Democrat to beat Trump in 2020. I think you’ve agreed to do the same, if I’m not mistaken. If so, why are you still whinging about the fact that you’re not feeling enough love for Bernie & Bros. We love you plenty. We love you long time. Shut the fuck up already.
Do you really think that voting third party, not voting at all, or voting for Frump is going to move the country leftward as you say you want? Or that the DNC is going to go “whoa, look at all those third party votes! Obviously we need to change our ways!” It’s not going to work. There’s virtually no way that a third party candidate is ever going to win, and the other options will do nothing - there’s no way for DNC to know you (general you) stayed home because you weren’t satisfied with the “establishment” offering.
Anything other than voting for whoever the Dem nominee ends up being is the only way to get the country moving more to the left. What happened in 2016 certainly didn’t move us to the left, did it? We moved more right, extreme right. Look what’s happening now! We’re almost a dictatorship. Thanks for staying home, guys!
I have no problem with the youth (or anyone) preferring Bernie or becoming involved to try to get him elected. I myself would prefer Warren, then Bernie.
And some Bernie enthusiasts are not exactly holding back on the vitriol themselves. Some uf us - the ones who are just trying to get Frump out above all - are pretty upset after what happened in 2016 and are really, really hoping that doesn’t happen again.
The 53% you’re using doesn’t say what you think it says.
That number is the number of people who will unconditionally, no matter what, vote for the democratic candidate. So, let’s say Bernie wins the democratic primary. The democratic party says “you know what, nope. We’re not gonna let Bernie run. New contest: whoever donates the most money to the DNC is our candidate”
An extreme scenario, but to say now that you’re voting democratic, 100%, no matter what, means that you would have to vote for the candidate in that scenario.
What’s the actual percentage of Bernie voters in the primary that didn’t vote for Hillary in 2016? That’s a much more indicative number, and I suspect it’s under 25%, although it’s weirdly hard to find it in a quick google search. That should be easily obtained data.
So, since I’m not willing to say that I will vote for any democrat no matter what, I’m one of those “Bernie or Bust” voters who will only vote for Bernie, in your view, even though there’s a 98%+ chance I’ll end up voting for the democratic candidate.
I’m not asking for anyone’s vote. I’ve never tried to convince anyone on these boards to vote for Bernie. But on the other hand, the people who are insulting Bernie supporters are also the ones saying “and grow up you stupid little kids and vote blue in November!”
I’m commenting on how fucking stupid it is, EVEN IF YOUR ONLY GOAL IS TO GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED PRESIDENT, it is to alienate people like that.
I am not a democrat. I do not like the democratic party. I can, to my own disgust, vote democrat because of the reality of my choices and the two party system. But I already feel bad about it. Telling me about how I’m a stupid little kid who needs to grow up and make the adult decision vote for a tribe I don’t even belong to no matter what does nothing but discourages me from wanting to be on the same fucking team as you.
I would like republicans to lose and to be crushed into the fucking dirt. I would also like to have a party or a candidate I could feel good about voting for to this end. Telling me I have a moral obligation to vote for Joe Biden even though I think he’ll be a bad president - well, that’s a case you can make. And I’ll probably listen to it.
Saying “fuck you, you snot nosed little fucking Bernie bro, why don’t you grow up and fucking do what we tell you” actually makes it harder for me to do what you want. I have no idea why, as someone who is trying to talk themselves into being okay with being on your side, you’re doing your absolute best to make sure I’m not on your side.
Everything you do is counterproductive. Both to move the party in a direction that actually does good things for people, like they did, once upon a time, and to get people to vote for whatever shitty candidate you’re going to force on us once you get rid of Bernie. If you fucking want people to swallow a shit sandwich they don’t want to do but could be persuaded they have a moral obligation to do - like vote for Joe Biden, then the way to do that is not to insult them and suggest they’re forced to do it, and to basically taunt them and make them feel even worse about doing it.
I voted for Hillary in 2016, but I had an even harder time because of the fucking stupid shitbags on the SDMB who taunted me and told me I had to do it and did their best to insult and alienate me in the process, who told me I was sexist for even having a problem with it, and that I was an idiot child for wanting the “leftist” party in the US to actually have a little left in them.
I can’t believe how fucking bad democrats are at building coalitions and winning elections because you seem to take gleeful pride in gatekeeping, in alienating people not to vote for you because you’d rather insult them and look down on them than have them on your side.
Added thought: If Bernie does win the nomination, and some of you are having a hard time convincing yourself to vote for such a radical socialist communist whatever, I’m not going to come in and say HAHHAHA YOU STUPID DOUCHEBAGS, REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHAT, WELL SUCK IT UP YOU FUCKING LOSERS AND EAT MY ASS even though I’d be fully justified in throwing that shit back at you.
I wouldn’t do that, because I wouldn’t be trying to make it as hard as possible for you to vote for Trump’s opponent, like you guys are trying to do for Bernie supporters.
Lots of independents are closely aligned with the Democratic party. I’m one. You’re one. Bernie is one. Big tent. BIIIGGG TENT.
Someone clever (not me), said: At election time, Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line. That’s why Democrats lose.
Are you a lover or a fall in liner?
IF that happens, I will join you. Try and stop me.
:smack::smack::eek:
Has there been even One.Single.Democrat in these threads who has even hinted that they would not support Sanders, if Sanders is the nominee? (No, Sam Stone or TOWP or some of the other right-wing idiots who might vote D do not count.)
If so, call him out and I will join you in stern denunciation. Even wishing for them to be waterboarded (since, as I understand it, that is not against SDMB rules).
AFAICT, in these dire days, every intelligent Democrat is committed to voting for the D-nominee in November no matter who it is.
It’s some of the less intelligent Sanderist “independents” that seem reluctant to make that commitment.
(Since we’re already in the Pit, let me say that your inference that some intelligent Democrat might prefer Trump to Sanders is so bizarre, that I must question your grip.)
OH, Hey! New portmanteau for the die hard Bernie supporters: The Sanderista!
A name even Bernie might approve.
Sorry, SenorBeef. I hope this isn’t the last straw that finally pushes you over the edge.
It’d be humorous if it weren’t literally insane how you folks treat nominal allies. 
It’s be humorous if it weren’t literally grotesque how you folks goose-step behind every right wing lunatic. 
He’s right, y’all. We should look to the Republican party for a model of how a leader can be tolerant, accepting, and even supportive of party members who publicly disagree with the leader.
I was pretty mad at the stay-home voters after the last election, whether they were Bernie Bros or who knows what else. How dare they? Don’t they know what’s at stake!?
But as time has passed, I have come around to blaming the weakness of the D campaign. Many people didn’t prosper during the Obama years even if the economy did. The Wall Street not Main Street bailout left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths, kind of that Corporate Democrat criticism you see thrown around. I still like Obama but he didn’t get everything right and Hillary seemed likely to repeat the same problems. Plus she was kind of personally annoying if you ask me, sorry. I still voted for her, but she did not even bother visiting crucial areas after making a big to-do about her listening tour. She was dodgy and lawyerly. I can see why people would have thought Bernie was the answer to Obama’s shortcomings while continuing his legacy. I can see non-Bernie Bros lacking the will to vote Clinton. I hate Trump but I got over it.
I still think people should vote how they see fit. The parties owe it to the people, not the other way around. My identity certainly isn’t as a part of this or that faction. I have said I would stoop to voting Bloomberg over Trump, but if it were Bloomberg v Kasich, or even Biden v. Kasich, I would probably vote Kasich.
I recognize I am not coming from the same place a lot of voters are. I don’t need a job, or a raise, or health insurance, or education. I effectively already have everything, even if that does not include a private jet or a personal pedophile Island &etc. Barring disaster, I am probably going to be fine regardless of politics, and so, you see, I’m Independent.
Other people need more than I do. Minority groups and women often get screwed by our system. Plenty of well-meaning people don’t get good educations or see decent job prospects. People get hooked on opiates just by going to their doctor or dentist. People like this need the government to perform for them way more than I do, and so honestly I think those groups should have a louder voice than me. If they think Bernie can deliver but Biden just won’t, who am I to scold them? I am going to be fine either way, but maybe they won’t.
I will enjoy Bernie driving the Goldman Sachs types nuts over the next few months- those guys Definitely don’t need another hand up. But vote blue no matter who? No matter who? I get it Trump needs to go, but I fully expect him to lose. He sucks and he isn’t fresh anymore… So while I will follow the advice, I can’t really get behind the slogan. This is the Dems race to lose this cycle, so they should bring their A-game with a worthy candidate and not some watered-down moderate Republican lite (unless it is Klobuchar. She would do great).
A nominal ally?
*Nominal
3a : being something in name only *
Yup, that sounds like what we’re hearing.
CMC fnord!
When people say, “no matter who”, I’m pretty sure they mean anybody in the current field of Democratic hopefuls. Not Charles Manson, for example.