You got any basis for that retarded opinion?
I’m pretty sure that I have consistently said I would vote for whoever was running against Trump. I prefer Biden (and Cory Booker when he was still running), but I will vote for whoever isn’t Trump.
From the sounds of it, Senor Beef (and probably you) are far more likely to stay home than me (or any other responsible adult), just to spite the Democrats or because of hurt feewings.
No.
It’s not ABOUT what the Democratic Party is entitled to. It’s about what the United States of America is entitled to. Since 1972 (at least) the United States of America has been entitled to never have a Republican in the Oval Office. And since the year 2000 (at least) the United States of America has been entitled to never having any Republican in ANY elected office.
Obvs, the electorate has consistently failed to give the United states of America what she is entitled to for some fifty years. But until the nation achieves an electorate with none of the MAGAT mindset, the nation is entitled to EVERY VOTE going to the Democratic candidate in EVERY election. The above objective facts will not change unless and until a paradigm shift occurs that releases us from the inevitabilities of Duverger’s Law.
Upthread I posted a synopsis of Joe Biden’s healthcare plan.
You didn’t bother to fucking read it, did you.
Oh, NOW I see where the confusion comes in. Some people think that the task before us is to change the strategy of the Democratic Party.
Well, it’s not. IT’S TO SAVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Dude, what is up with your fixation with Joe Biden’s healthcare plan?
Well, that plus the fact that doing it before the Republican Party stops existing would spell the end of the Democratic Party as any kind of effective counterbalance to the MAGATS.
Me too.
I don’t know if such a thing as a “reasonable” Bernie supporter exists. I feel like those people would better be called… well, I won’t say it… I know how much it hurts your feelings.
Got it. You don’t want to go to the party. Not your kind of people. Not your kind of scene.
Wait a minute. You just said you don’t want to go to the party. Unless of course everybody really really wants you to go to the party. So it’s their job to sell you on how great this party will be and to convince you to want to go.
So even though the party isn’t just for you, you expect everyone to change the theme and music and food of the party so as to make you really want to go. Else, you’re not really feeling like enough people have made enough of an effort to make you feel welcome at the party, under the big tent.
Oh, there’s a reason, Becky. Here it is: Fuck you. Nobody cares if you come to the party. Stay home. Petulant fucking cunt.
Oh I missed that. Thanks.
AOC wouldn’t win if she wasn’t a Democrat Elizabeth Crowley would be the new Congresswoman from New York’s 14th district the next even numbered year.
Bernie would have no chance at winning the Presidency if he wasn’t running as a Democrat. He would be Jill Stein.
We don’t need AOC to fill that seat. She needs us to have a platform.
Healthcare is THE big issue that supposedly separates the leftists from the moderates on the Democratic stage. (Not the ONLY issue, but certainly one of the most talked-about. It was over-reach on her M4A that might have triggered Warren’s collapse.)
SenorBeef calls Biden “moderate Republican.” I think another used the term “Republican-Lite.” The obvious way to address this characterization is to make a practical comparison of the healthcare plans of Sanders, Biden, and a moderate Republican (if there is such a thing). What part of this is hard to understand?
Kapische?
If one understands the fact that, on this specific axis, there are exactly TWO sides, and that they are MAGATs and progressives, it’s more than close to true, it’s absolutely true.
Yes, everything you have posted on this message board. You say it, but I don’t believe you.
Don’t lump me in with these Bernie Bro dorks who won’t vote Dem either.
Pathetic, isn’t it. If ever there was a common enemy (TrumpCult) to unite against, the Sanders-nistas decide to apply the Progressive purity test.
Oh, for fucks sake, can we all just acknowledge the fact that any pejorative spoken of a Bernie supporter only applies to a “Bernie or Bust” supporter? And that if one is not a “Bernie or Bust” supporter, one does not have to go into a tizzy of any type just because they heard a pejorative about a “Bernie or Bust” supporter?
I recognize that this proposition sort of rhymes with rhetoric about “True Scotsmen” and “Not All (insert name of group here), but would those even be a thing if there was absolutely ZERO validity to the concept?
I agree, it would be very useful for people not to label somebody as a Bernie Bro just because they said something positive about Sanders. I get a bit of a chuckle out of it when somebody tries to apply it to me since I will never vote for Sanders (or in any American election for that matter). On the other hand, I cannot speak for my AIs once they finish hacking the election machines … but I’ve said too much (also I’m kidding).
Yeah, I was under the impression that when people said “Bernie Bro” it refers to Bernie supporters of the “Bernie or Bust” variety - where if their guy doesn’t win they wish to fuck the country with a rusty backhoe out of spite.
…and, just on the cusp of 450 responses is a really good point to bring that to his attention…
I don’t know if Romney is considered moderate, but he is a Republican. Let’s compare Romneycare to Obamacare.
Obamacare pretty much is Romneycare! :smack:
I guess Biden would improve on Obamacare. I guess? His policy position doesn’t stand out clearly in my mind like Sanders’ does. Sanders’ approach would be disruptive, yes, but when the dust settled, you gotta admit everyone would be covered.
I hope your Impressionometer came with a warranty. I think you saw what you wanted to see, and what you wanted to see was ugliness.
So you jump into this sub-debate without bothering to read my summary of Biden’s plans, nor my comments thereon. Got it. Thanks, I guess.
To return to harping on the thing I’ve been harping on, I just saw this post in Elections:
If you are familiar with the poster, I think it would have been reasonable for you to assume that he was an example of someone who it would make no sense, in left/right terms, to be a potential crossover voter. And yet.
If you are concerned with electability, and if you think potential Sanders voters who don’t vote Bloomberg/Biden/Raymond Shaw are just betraying the world for goofs, and just need to be reminded that they are “petulant cunts” and so on until they learn their lesson, rather than actually considered as part of your calculus, consider the case of this dude. He’s got his politics, and they aren’t yours or mine. He’s reachable on economic and labor grounds, where he is never going to be reachable on others. If you want to win the election, you can imagine that the Sanders voters who cost “you” the election were all teenagers who need a good spanking and to grow up, and that there’s nothing in your own orthodox non-Bro politics that you need to reevaluate because you had the right of it all along, damn it, and just hope it goes differently this time. That is one possible option of several.