IIRC, he was also warned for telling posters that they were on his “ignore” list. Then he took the warning as part of a vendetta against him personally.
I actually tried to watch Showgirls, and only lasted about half an hour. And keep in mind, Showgirls has nekkid wimmins in it. He oughta been banned for recommending that film, if for nothing else.
Ta ta, lissener. When come back, bring films about genetically modified homosexual pit bulls.
Regards,
Shodan
Let’s not forget the blanket labling of 98% of the Dope as homophobes because they didn’t jump up and down immediately to praise his own ideas and ideals. Suck my dick, indeed!
Or the insistance that each and every Texan is an idiotic racist.
Or that any disagreement with a post of his was a personal attack on his very person.
Tiring he was. Gone now is he.
Wow. I have a lot of mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, lissener was one of the smartest posters on the boards. On the other, he was an insufferable jerk who took everything personally, even when it had absolutely nothing to do with him. I wish he’d been able to get his shit together and act like a grownup, because he could have been a really great poster. Failing that, though, I’m glad he was banned, because his regular temper tantrums were wearing very, very thin.
That said, he’s still one of the posters (ex-poster, now, I guess) that I’d most like to meet in real life. He seems like a really interesting guy.
Exactly. Only Oklahomans are allowed to do that. 
Oh, and Shodan, I love that movie idea … but only if you throw in mutant lesbian pro-wrestling tigers. You know, for balance. 
Damn.
That’s definitely not the way Cafe threads are supposed to play out.
I hope lissener is able to relax a bit and be restored to the good graces of the Powers that Be.
I can understand his frustration, but it shouldn’t be too hard to be mindful of what forum you’re in, either.
Hell, my reaction to Gamaliel’s quoted site was an apostrophic “What a fucking moron.”
Beyond that, I think most of the criticisms of filmakers in that thread come from somewhat of a position of ignorant assholery. (Even the ones that I tend to sympathize with.)
Not gonna start throughing poop around in the Cafe, though. That’s what this place is for.
Oi! Dex! You think Bergman is boring? You dumb fuck! How can you watch Persona without being on the edge of your seat?
What about that loser that doesn’t like Polanski? Just the sort of blinkard, philistine, pig-ignorance I’ve come to expect from you non-creative garbage!
People who don’t like Lucas or Tarantino are just too stupid to ignore the frame message and enjoy the inner message. There are two whole levels of semiosis you’re overlooking, you pea-brained, non-film-nerd peasants. Just push some more popcorn in your slack-jawed face and shut the fuck up, you know-nothing boobs.
Hey, asshole who maligned Scorsese! Go stand in the “I have no taste” corner with the punk who doesn’t have time for Kubrick.
There are people who don’t like Coen Brothers films? Don’t we have some kind of camps we can ship them off to?
Whew. That feels so much better.
Hmm…I don’t really pay much attention to names here on the boards (just the argument presented), but I remember his name and I know I have responded to him on occasion.
But now that I hear the above quote: Fuck you lissner. Enjoy being in BANNED land. :mad:
Disgruntled-non-racist-non-ignorant natice Texan.
And gall darnnit if I can spell “native!” :smack:
I dunno, part of me finds a kind of twisted nobility in going down in grim defense of such a gloriously lost cause. It’s like the Lakota Ghost Dance in a way. When I die, let it be in a duel of honor while defending the musical stylings of William Shatner.
I don’t think he is capable of posting in a relaxed fashion, any more than Collounsbury was. It was hard for either one of them to post without some kind of snark showing through, and I guess the admins had had enough.
Judging from his last few posts in that CS thread, he was very much mindful of what forum he was in. He just announced, in effect, that he no longer gave a damn about trying to have polite discussions with people who didn’t agree with him (in the process once again assuming people’s opinions about movies/directors were personal attacks on his own self). If you are going to be that hot-headed over such a trivial issue as Verhoeven’s worth as a director, you really need to take a few steps back and go do something else for a while.
Do I have to watch any of their vapid, senseless, culculated to suit the tastes of int’lechuls, so called movies?
If not - sign me up for a ticket, right now.
I’m pretty much in agreement with Miller on this one. It’s a shame, but I’m frankly surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I summed it up for him in this post in his “why do you think I’m an asshole” thread, but in retrospect I guess he didn’t care to look too closely at that thread. Too bad.
Fine, as long as you’re not an asshole about it.
I actually got the new CD this weekend. I got to listen to one song, Common People, before my bf ordered me to find something new on the iPod. That song was actually good I must admit. 
As for lissener, I wonder if he’s out there reading this thread. I always think about that when I read these “banning” threads. Curious to know if the banned is out there viewing his/her own “message-board-wake” as it were. I’ve really got nothing bad or good to say about him, I agreed with him here and there and disagreed with him there and here. Just a little sad that with every banned poster, or one that didn’t renew a subscription, we lose a little bit of what makes this a great board.
This was a Good Thing[sup]tm[/sup].
Yeah, I’m with Miller on this one. lissener just took disagreement too damn personally.
I mean, I’m a guy who gets pissed off at people for disagreement pretty damn fast and he drove me insane with how much he got his shorts tangled up.
You know what? Take a look at the timestamp on that OP and the one on this post. Coincidence?
It is unseemly to attack a man who is incapable of defending himself.
I agree with herownself, Miller and Larry Mudd. I have spoken with lissener off-board a great deal, and he is one of the more intelligent people I know. He is not the only one to defend Vehoeven, Cervaise and I do too. I take it very lightheartedly, as I can’t get worked up over film very much, but I understand where he is coming from.
Rarely is anyone ever willing to discuss the issue on it’s own merits. Mention of Verhoeven is immediately met with sarcastic and dismissive put downs about how trashy Verhoeven is. Some are willing to play, and claim that they “get it,” but still didn’t like it. That is a perfectly reasonable and defensible position, but most then go on to reveal, through discussion, that they really don’t get it, which they refuse to acknowledge. Actually understanding a piece and disliking it is fine. Dismissing it, or claiming to understand it and dismissing it (while not really getting it) is annoying as hell. Witness the fourteen page thread with CandidGamera about abstract art. Anyone who participated in that thread knows what it is like to try to argue with someone who puts on their blinders and refuses to try to see the merits of something, instead trashing it as worthless garbage. Witness the pit thread by someone who couldn’t convinve her mother that the .pdfs or whatever of sheet music on a CD couldn’t be played on a CD player, as they were only transcriptions of the music, not the actual music itself as performed by a band. That is what it is like trying to argue with someone who just doesn’t get it. lissener appears to have just gotten fed up after five years of trying to get the CD to play. I acknowledge that he is not blessed with a great deal of equanimity, nor a friendly posting style. News flash: some people aren’t. The world is not happy-fun-time land. Deal with it like an adult.
Which brings me to my next point. What the fuck is up with people rejoicing in bannings? It has happened in every banning I’ve seen (including my own, to answer stpauler’s question). Are you people really such arrogant, obnoxious assholes that you are happy that someone you don’t agree with is now out of your sight, never to disturb you little comfort zone? In case you hadn’t noticed, the world is not a McDonalds playground. There will always be people with which you diagree, sometimes vehemently. There will be people who you think act like jerks, who don’t treat you like you’d like to be treated, and who you just plain don’t like. Suck it up and deal with it. People don’t get BANNED in the real world, you just have to act like a grown up and cope. People of varying personalities and natures and behaviors and intellects are what contribute to the varied and stimulating nature of this board, as they do in life. What right do you have to smirk when a piece of what makes this place interesting is removed? The board is now just a bit more insular, a bit more like the predictions for October whenever anyone (except trolls) are banned. But by god, do a little happy dance that you never have to deal with a dissenting viewpoint ever again.
My personal opinion is that bannings, (excepting socks and spamming and whatnot) should be replaced with one month suspensions, followed by probation. This is essentialy what happened with Collounsbury, he proved that he couldn’t follow the rules. But maybe some could. Maybe Zenster could have calmed down. Maybe anybody who has been banned could have benefited from a month off of the boards, been able to put things in perspective and been capable of rejoining the boards and becoming a productive member. The policy of permanent banning is just a little over the top, IMHO.
I seem to recall him accusing me of having a vendetta or something against him, that I vowed I would personally speak out against him whenever I had the opportunity.
Now, I will admit that I was never very fond of lissener, but I don’t believe I ever followed him around, insulting him. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don’t recall ever having said that.
He’s obviously a smart guy, but he has a massive persecution complex, and for some reason, takes any disagreement with his views as an attack. Even on not liking a movie he does, or whatever. It’s not saying “I don’t like this movie,” it’s saying, “I don’t like this movie, and lissener likes it, therefore he is an evil moron.”
Hmmm…maybe lissener was really Anne Rice? :eek:
Knock knock.
Who’s there?
Not lissener!
While certainly, uhm, ‘passionately single-minded’ in the few threads I have been in with lissener, I have to give him major points for defending Verhoeven. There is such a Berlin '45 quality to that. (I loved Starship Troopers, but defending it was never my bailiwick.) And Showgirls? Come on! Whatshernutz is nekkid! A more noble cause does not exist than the defense of Whatshernutz nekkid. Besides, isn’t this lissener’s first banination? Surely there can be a second chance, following a ‘cooling off’ period, no?