Looking for Input from Grandparents and yeah other parents too I guess

So I’m going to be a Grampa in a few weeks

squee!!!

And I’m looking for advice on how to best go about being the best Grampa I can be.

My thinking thus far is this. Mom and Dad (or whatever set of parental units) have a tendency towards being stricter, usually. They want little Jr. or little Missy to turn out to be the bestest of the bestest right?

So it falls to the Grandparents to provide a little relief from that. Not too much, my thinking is that my role of Grampa should never unduly make the job of raising the child(ren) more difficult for the parents.

I feel within myself the urge to be the Evil Grampa; I want to teach the young’un (boy or girl) to spit and fart and pick his nose and when its a runny nose to wipe it on his sleeve (but never when the parents are around). I want to teach the child the fine art of BSing (lemme tell ya about the time I got this scar) and to wipe his dirty hands on his shirt before eating and that yes a shirt (and pants) make perfectly acceptable napkins at meal time (but NEVER when Gramma or the parents are around and NEVER EVER EVER your sunday best) and when its ok to do all this gross stuff and when its not okay. I’ll teach whittling and whistling and making oatmeal raisin cookies and pay cash money for good grades but shooting and taxes and teaching about girls or boys are up to the parents.

Am I wrong in my thinking or am I on ok footing here?

too much humble brag? I can’t help it I’m gonna be a Grandpa

Physically bond with the babies. Hold hem closely and warmly, let them get used to and comfortable with the feel and sound and heartbeat and smell of you and your vibes.

Then spoil the hell out of them.

Sure spoil the hell out of them but ALWAYS defer to the parents. My son and DIL didn’t want any expletives uttered in their hearing. Also anything about death or dying. You can imagine how well that worked. On Nov. 9, my just shy of 20 year old granddaughter posted what was essentially, What the fucking fuck just happened? But we followed instructions. Never get between the kids and the parents.

Teaching a child bad habits because it amuses you seems a titch misguided to me.

Surely there are things that the parents would prefer over using his clothing as a napkin or learning to BS!

Keep thinking please!

We have a dozen, but the most fun is the youngest. Unlike the first 11 who live a bit further away, the 3 year old stays with us 4 days a week due to the parent’s work schedule. Dad does come over after work and stay the night.

We watch all the kid’s YouTube videos about animated cars and trucks. He has to have every vehicle in that particular video lined up so he can imitate the action on screen. Has them all memorized and collects the right trucks as the video starts. He calls out the name as each one appears on screen and makes sure I repeat it correctly, he is teaching me. “Helicopter”! “Police car”! If I don’t say it right away he will get my attention, hold up the toy and repeat in a stern voice, “MOTORcycle”.

When he tires he leans back against me and won’t let me leave, keeping an arm around me if needed.

That’s all a grandpa needs to do, it’s the best.
Dennis

while I would find it amusing, that’s not really the (entire) reason why I’d do it.
One of the most valuable lessons I ever learned as a parent came from Mrs. Guest’s Step-Gma the first time we ever went to visit her with the guestling who was 3 at the time. First thing she did was get down in the dirt with him and got absolutely filthy playing trucks. We, needless to say, were aghast! Our child, covered in dirt! well, ok, he was a little boy and that’s supposed to happen. Then dinner happened. Gma decided the guestling was going to have creamed corn…we pleaded, we begged and bargain and … to no avail. I’ve never seen creamed corn get into so many places where the food wasn’t even being prepared, served or consumed. Gma had a hoot and a ball and sternly reproached us for not letting the tyke have fun and be a kid and make messes which clean up easily enough.

It’s not the bad habits, its the letting the kid be a kid and not have to conform to some image of childhood perfection all of the time. And of course, I want only the best, the child needs to be taught to spit and burp and fart (along with all the attendant commentary to such activity) properly, and also when NOT to do that stuff.

Spoil them with gifts, especially if you don’t see them frequently. The parents have to say “No,” because, aside from budgetary considerations, they have to teach the lesson that you don’t always get what you want. Grandparents get to be the special font of toys that is visited occasionally, but never fails to deliver. Grandparents get to give two cookies instead of one, because it’s OK for that to happen at grandma’s house, as long as the child understands that this is ONLY at grandma’s house (and maybe grandma/pa’s cookies are homemade, and are especially desirable, and also more prone to going stale, so you have an excuse).

What you should never do is undermine any of the parents fundamental beliefs. If you raised your kids to go to synagogue on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, and to prepare for a Bat Mitzvah, but after that religion was essentially “done,” and the kids ate cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza, but sometime in their twenties, they, or at any rate one of them, became very observant, and married another observant Jew, and their child has never had non-kosher food, it is not “cute” to sneak the child a McDonald’s bacon cheeseburger. It is not being an indulgent grandparent to say “We don’t cover our heads around here; if G-d wanted my head covered, he would have left me some hair. Haha.” It’s being a jerk. However, maybe buying the kid the cute basketball kippah to wear when he is over, that he wants, and that Mom said was to expensive, is a great idea. And maybe Mom says Hanukkah isn’t Christmas, but you can negotiate one gift for the first night (or some very serious gelt), and then a bunch of gifts for Purim.

If the parents are vegetarians, don’t sneak the kid meat. If they recycle, that doesn’t mean you have to do it at your house, but you don’t lecture the kid on why the parents have a stick up the butt for doing it.

I don’t personally have these problems, but these are all things that have caused friends of mine to curtail grandparent visits.

You don’t come across to me as someone who would do that, I’m just mentioning it because you asked.

The people who mentioned snuggling are wise.

If you can visit to help when the baby is new, that will be appreciated. If you expect to be treated like guests, then you have a short memory. Remember how hard a newborn is?

My mother couldn’t visit right away when my son was born, but she paid all our bills for a month; this allowed my husband to take almost three weeks off of work. You may not be able to do that, but I’m just saying that for the immediate present, the new parents will be exhausted. You will be craving reports and pictures, and they will probably not be forthcoming. Don’t pester. An occasional “Hang in there-- they sleep through the night sooner than you’d expect” text is great, though.

That’s about all I’ve got.

My mother was not a terrific mother, but she is an excellent grandmother. So, whatever relationship you had with your children will probably change, and most likely for the better now that you have parenting in common. Plus, you have a chance to be this “grandparent” thing, that is a different role for them, and someone who helps them in ways they didn’t expect, so they may appreciate you more. That may be a side effect you didn’t expect. You also may have a new respect for them as you finally see them as real adults.

Although I live with two of my grandsons (4 & 7), I can still be the Crazy Nanna most of the time. We do indeed have farting and burping competitions, I get to indulge them with treats, and we have a special event called Strawberry Milk Sunday…which means that I get up at the crack of dawn, go to the supermarket, buy a carton of strawberry-flavoured milk, and have it back by the time they wake up every Sunday morning.

I can be a minor disciplinarian as needed as well…but mostly I’m the cool Nanna.

:smiley:

See, that right there, kam, is more in line with what I was thinking and failed to convey. Of course a kid needs to be subject to discipline from time to time from the G-parents. Chaos reigns otherwise, (I know this from first hand experience with the guestling the youngest’s gma)

I also will NOT ever subvert or undermine what Mom and Dad are trying to teach and instill. (see above note regarding gma and apply here) If I have concerns or questions I know to speak with Mom and Dad privately away from prying eyes and hearing ears too young to understand enough, but old enough to understand too much.

The oatmeal-raisin cookies is about as subversive as I get, I’m the only one in the family that likes them. so far…

Mm, fresh baby! Nothing like it. Snuggles, and kiss their heads, and all that. And congratulations.*

When I babysit the grandkids, there are certain rules that might go out the window. The more than one cookie rule, no. The only one story rule, yes.

I raised one of their parents. He knows what grandma is like.

On the other hand, I remember all the times someone said to me, “Hey, if you/we live through this, it’ll make a great story to tell your/our grandchildren.”

Huh. No way my grandchildren are hearing those stories.

*Although I never understood, when I told people I had a new grandchild, why they congratulated ME. I didn’t do anything, except in one case (unplanned home birth, tied the cord with my hair tie) and it was just what anybody would do.

Whatever you do guestchaz, just be there for that baby. Kids who have grandparents involved in their lives do ‘better’ than those who don’t. Be there to give YOUR kids a break if you’re able, and smooch the little critter with grandfatherly adoration.

Just a word of warning…when they’re newborns, they mostly look like hairless gorillas. Be prepared.

:wink:

Congrats, Guestchaz!

Me too, by the way. See my thread here for more wisdom.
mmm

Being more the parent in the middle right now, I echo the ‘it’s OK to have slightly different rules in your house, but don’t undermine the parents’ attitude. There’s sometimes a fine line between ‘providing an alternative role model and letting them know there are different ways of doing things’ and ‘contradicting the parents’ values’, but err on the side of supporting the parents.
But I’m all in on the crazy stories. There should be a different story about how you got your scar every single time you see them. Deny that you ever told them anything different.

I told my daughter something like that as well - “I know I’m not the same as a grandfather as I was as a father. It’s nice that I don’t have to be. I helped raise you and you turned out great. I see how you are raising my grandson and you are doing a fantastic job! All I have to do with him, then, is pretty much whatever he wants and have fun!”

I will support my daughter and SIL in their overall parenting and won’t do anything to subvert their authority, but the key difference to me is that parents must be parents first and foremost, grandparents can be the kid’s friend.