Lost 1.7 "The Moth" (Non-hidden SPOILERS)

Well, we can only hope that she is just called “The Voice of the Transmission” kind of like the way Terence Stamp is the “Voice of Jor-El” on Smallville and we may see him eventually, or may never see him at all – he may never be depicted.

Although I agree, Dropzone’s post strongly implied she’ll actually be on the show.

sigh

Well, she still night NOT be. Let’s just say that a distinguished actor has a cameo as “The Voice” and may only ever be “The Voice” and not someone we can “ogle”.

We don’t REALLY know if they’ll find the French Woman. It’s still ambiguous. Really. We don’t know for sure. Honest. click my heels three times We have not been spoiled… We have not been spoiled… We have not been spoiled…

  1. Okay, we’ve had one drowning, one near drowning, and a man nearly beaten to death on the beach by a crazed Korean mafia dude.

WHERE THE HELL HAVE SCOTT AND STEVE BEEN? And they call Charlie useless?

  1. Why do people have to commit to the beach OR the caves? I can see value in both places. Though I imagine the cave soundstage makes filming a lot easier and less costly. The beach scenes do make me long for Hawaii…

  2. Jack should be shirtless at least once in every episode.

  3. Did they not have a key for those handcuffs when they slipped them on Jin? Man, that would suck having to wear that the rest of the time. (And we KNEW they’d need those handcuffs again!)

Yeah, seriously. I think people in Australia can only buy stuff like sparklers and snakes. They don’t have any sparkly, explosive ordinance we can’t get in the States.

As for the whole fire the rockets, turn on the transmitters thing, I thought Sayid said the batteries were almost all dead, so they didn’t have the luxury of letting one run while they set up the others.

Ha! That was the first thing I thought of when I read Gamaliel’s post!

So did anyone else wonder how Locke knew that Charlie was going to come ask him for the drugs the second time just in time to be the bait to lure the warthog into the trap???

Did I miss something? Who are Scott and Steve?

Juniper, I agree with your spoiler policies.

When Jack got stuck in the cave, someone ran back to the beach for help and yelled for help. Michael (?) looked at one guy and said, “Steve…” and that guy said, “I"m Scott, he’s Steve” while pointing to the guy with him.
They were just two of the other survivors that have so far been in the background.

Scott and Steve are two of the other castaways. They were down on the beach when Charlie went to get help.

I had a couple of thoughts about last night’s episode. Yes the cgi moth could have been better and they really didn’t need to bludgeon us over the head with the rebirth metaphor. But still I liked it. I don’t think that Dominick can really play the guitar (or sing) beyond a few chords, and I hate that song. Also, Jack sure had a nice bright flashlight in the cave with a really strong battery. Too bad Sayid didn’t have it to run the tranciever/triangulation thingy.

What follows is pure speculation and is not based on any special knowledge:

A crazy thought struck me (rather violently I might say) in the middle of the night last night. Namely, do we really know that the pilot is dead or that if that guy they talked to was even the real pilot? They didn’t retrieve the body (as far as we know). They just assumed that he was the pilot because he was sitting in the cockpit in a uniform. It had been 16 hours since the crash and he’s just sitting around waiting for someone to show up? Admitedly he supposedly had a concusion but he sure revived quickly when they stumbled across him. And that transciever was sure easy to find. Everything he told them about the radio and their location and why they crashed could be disinformation. That guy could be walking around the island bashing people with logs! I tell you that thought made it impossible for me to go back to sleep. However, I could be barking mad, so just forget what I said (I’ve been wrong before, i.e. Sun & Jin’s martial status).

When Jack got stuck in the cave, someone ran back to the beach for help and yelled for help. Michael (?) looked at one guy and said, “Steve…” and that guy said, “I"m Scott, he’s Steve” while pointing to the guy with him.
They were just two of the other survivors that have so far been in the background.

Can someone clear up the triangulation thing for me?

I remember learning triangulation technique to locate the epicenter of an earthquake in middle school. You’d have the time 3 different stations received the shocks, and basically draw 3 circles around each station, with the time they received the shocks determining the size of the circles, and the overlapping area would be the epicenter.

Since I doubt they can time things so precisely as to measure differences in a light-speed transmission, I assume here that they’re looking for a directional signal? They get a bearing at each station, draw a line, and where the lines intersect is the source, right? In that case, you’d only need 2 stations, the third not really adding anything. But if that’s the case, why do they call it triangulation?

Woops. Ignore that last one… I wrote it up and meant to not post it because it was answered.

Actually, the last question is still valid - why is it called triangulation when you only need 2 readings?

WAG - because you’re using two points to establish the third?

I think it’s basic vector addition. Kinda like if you walk three steps forward, and then four steps to the right, the straight line from where you started and where you stopped would be five steps in a straight, line diagonally from where you started.

Again, that’s a WAG. I understand vector addition stuff with different forces, but not so much the whole “finding a signal” thing. Waggy, wag, wag.

I’m guessing because you have the baseline between the two points, and the two lines going towards the thing you are tracking (thus forming a triangle)

Brian

Drawing the circles finding the epicenter is actuall trilateration where you know the distance from known points. GPS works like that too, where the known points are the satellites.

Triangulation is where you know the direction from known points. You draw lines from those points and they intersect where you are looking for (which would be the third point in the triangle).

Oh, okay. I remember them now. They both sounded really whiny.

Thanks Bibliocat. And misstee. And, umm… Bibliocat. :smiley:

I think I missed a few minutes of the episode, because I don’t remember him making any sort of speech besides giving instructions for the triangulation. Can someone fill me in?

I had the same thought as Misnomer - Sawyer isn’t the redneck loser we take him for. He’s playing that role right now because it suits him, but I think he’s much more educated and important than we think.

And there was definitely more discussed last week between Michael and Sun than just the watch. He glanced at her often in this episode, and he corrected someone who called her Chinese. Something’s going on there for sure.

It wasn’t so much of a speech as a few words said while walking with Kate to set up one of the antennae. He basically said, “When the tail fell off, and we crashed. that should’ve been it. We shouldn’t be alive.” And the Sawyer Brown showed up to be mean to Kate the Fugitive and nothing more was said of it.

Encinitas, that is wild, because I woke up at about 3 am with a theory as well! I kid you not!

In Stephen King’s “The Langoliers”, a handful of sleeping passengers on a redeye flight wake up to find the plane still flying but everyone else - passengers, pilots, and crew - has vanished. One of the characters suggests that perhaps it’s an experiment - they were hypnotized to believe they were on a flight, then sedated and allowed to wake up and believe that everyone else had disappeared. That was not the case in the story, but I remember the theory.

Anyhoo, one of the theories I had considered was the “Dr. Moreau, mad scientist” theme…but then I wondered how on earth the mad doctor could engineer a plane wreck to happen, the plane to land on the island, and passengers to survive. That’s pretty implausible, IMO. So last night I woke up, remembered the King story, and wondered if maybe the passengers had been hypnotized to believe they had been in a plane accident. I remembered Jack’s and Locke’s stories both started with them waking up after the crash, so it kind of fit. The mad scientist(s) could then make weird things happen (polar bear? 16-year distress signal?) and it would fit within the realm of possibility given the circumstances.

But then I remembered that Kate says she was awake the whole time, so that shot my theory out of the air. But, still, for middle of the night, dream-induced theories, I don’t think it was so bad!

And when Walt asked if they could move from the beach to the caves, Michael looked right over at Sun. He’s definitely into her, and who could blame him?

Speaking of whom, whoever’s making the spreadsheet about what we know and don’t know, please note this:

Jin speaks no English.
Sun speaks English, but Jin doesn’t know she speaks English. Only Michael knows.

That’s what the show has told us. But maybe there’s more! Maybe:

Jin speaks English too, but Sun doesn’t know it.
Jin knows Sun speaks English, but Sun doesn’t know he knows.

You need more than 2 stations on the off-chance that the signal is directly in line with the two stations.

If that happened, you’d know that the signal lay somewhere along a line, but you wouldn’t know where. a third point removes that amiguity.